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Old 08-13-2021, 08:07 AM
 
Location: 35203
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was louisville not surrounded by incorporated municipalities / suburbs? if it was, i'm amazed they all agreed to consolidate. as mentioned above, there's just no way places like mountain brook or homewood would ever go for that. i'd love to read how that worked.

Louisville, Ky.

In 2003, the city of Louisville merged with the surrounding Jefferson County. The merger was approved by a referendum, which passed 54 percent to 46 percent. Following the merger, Louisville immediately jumped from the 65th largest city in the country to the 18th largest.

Prior to consolidation, Jefferson County included 84 unique municipalities. The current government includes a mayor and a 26-member council.


Indianapolis, Ind.

Indianapolis is the most often cited example of a combined city-county. The city merged with Marion County in 1970, resulting in a singular government dubbed UniGov. The merger consolidated 31 city departments and 11 agencies into six new departments: administration, metropolitan development, public works, parks and recreation, public safety and transportation.

Prior to consolidation, Indianapolis was the 26th largest country in the United States. It is now the 12th largest city.


Nashville, Tenn.

Nashville was one of the earliest cities to undertake city-county consolidation. In 1962, residents of the city and Davidson County approved a merger to create the Metropolitan Government of Nashville.

The resulting government includes a mayor and a 40-person council. Nashville's example would serve as a model for consolidation in cities like Indianapolis, Louisville and Jacksonville.


Jacksonville, Fla.

The city of Jacksonville merged with its surrounding Duval County following a successful referendum vote in 1967. The resulting consolidated city is governed by a mayor (who is also county commissioner) and a 19-member council.

After merging, Jacksonville became the largest city in land area in the world, prompting leaders to roll out the unofficial city motto, "The biggest city in the world."


List of Consolidated City-County Governments

Alaska
City and borough of Anchorage
City and borough Haines
City and borough of Juneau
City and borough of Sitka
City and borough of Yakutat

California
City and county of San Francisco
Colorado
City and county of Broomfield
City and county of Denver

Florida
Jacksonville-Duval County

Georgia
Macon-Bibb County
Athens-Clark County
Cusseta-Chattahoochee County
Statenville-Echols County
Columbus-Muscogee County
Augusta-Richmond County
Georgetown-Quitman County
Preston-Webster County

Hawaii
City and county of Honolulu

Indiana
Indianapolis-Marion County

Kansas
Unified Government of Wyandotte County and City of Kansas City
Tribune-Greeley County

Kentucky
Lexington-Fayette Urban County
Louisville–Jefferson County

Louisiana
Baton Rouge-Parish of East Baton Rouge
Lafayette-Parish of Lafayette
New Orleans-Parish of Orleans
Terrebonne Parish Consolidated Government

Massachusetts
Nantucket-Nantucket County
Boston-Suffolk County

Montana
Anaconda-Deer Lodge County
Butte-Silver Bow County

New York
The City of New York-Counties of Bronx, Kings, New York, Queens, and Richmond

Pennsylvania
Philadelphia-Philadelphia County

Tennessee
Hartsville-Trousdale County
Lynchburg-Moore County
Nashville-Davidson, Tennessee

Virginia
Chesapeake-Norfolk County
Hampton-Elizabeth County
Newport News-Warwick County
Suffolk-Nansemond County
Virginia Beach-Princess Anne County

Not that many majority AA cities/towns on that list. Maybe Baton Rouge, New Orleans, and Newport News. I would say the majority of these places have a lot more progressive minded people than those in Alabama.
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Old 08-13-2021, 09:06 AM
 
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Birmingham's Metro grew. (54,000) In America, it is all about the metro because the politics that make geo-political boundaries skewed the meaning of a city long ago.

You do know that San Jose is bigger than San Francisco, and has been for quite a while. But do you really want to go to San Jose?
And Huntsville's grew 74,000 - a solid 20,000 more in a metro that's half the size. I love the change in narrative. For years all that's been talked about around here is how much downtown has grown.

There are a lot of metros where the main city isn't the largest in the state (Dallas is the 3rd largest in TX i think, but in the largest metro) but that's just of how the lines are drawn. Rarely in this decade have we seen the hub city lose people while the suburbs grow. But like Steve said, growth is only brag-worthy if you're growing faster than your peers, if you're not, you're becoming less and less desirable and relevant.

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Old 08-13-2021, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Birmingham, U.S.A.
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Indianapolis, Ind.

Indianapolis is the most often cited example of a combined city-county. The city merged with Marion County in 1970, resulting in a singular government dubbed UniGov. The merger consolidated 31 city departments and 11 agencies into six new departments: administration, metropolitan development, public works, parks and recreation, public safety and transportation.

Prior to consolidation, Indianapolis was the 26th largest country in the United States. It is now the 12th largest city.


Nashville, Tenn.

Nashville was one of the earliest cities to undertake city-county consolidation. In 1962, residents of the city and Davidson County...
What makes Indy the most often cited?

I figure being the capital doesn't hurt either when it comes to greasing the wheels on that sort of thing.
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Old 08-13-2021, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Downtown B'Ham
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Don't know what the demographics are in Louisville, but for Birmingham, consolidation won't happen. The mindframe of people is the reason.
I lived in Lexington at the time that happened. The same "that will never happen" rhetoric was touted there in an identical fashion to today's Birmingham.

Many lessons could be learned by the dinosaurs in power here.
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Old 08-13-2021, 10:43 AM
 
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New music venue opening tonight. Parkside.

The Fennec

https://bhamnow.com/2021/08/13/new-o...-need-to-know/
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Old 08-13-2021, 11:46 AM
 
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Disappointing but not entirely surprising. Wondering if KY will offer clues about Birmingham's future. 20 years ago, Lexington surpassed Louisville as their state's largest city. That blow led to Louisville, also in Jefferson County funny enough, to finally consolidate in 2013.

The issue here is that Jefferson County Alabama is nearly 3 times the size of Jefferson County Kentucky, would be a nightmare to consolidate 1,100 square miles, would also make birmingham the biggest city in the country by area
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Old 08-13-2021, 01:49 PM
 
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The issue here is that Jefferson County Alabama is nearly 3 times the size of Jefferson County Kentucky, would be a nightmare to consolidate 1,100 square miles, would also make birmingham the biggest city in the country by area
I remember when I lived in FL that North Port had that accolade for a moment. Not exactly a terrible thing IMO.
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Old 08-14-2021, 08:30 PM
 
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What an absolute disaster for Birmingham. To go from the #1 city to only being separated by 150 people from Montgomery. Birmingham will be lucky to retain its #2 position at this rate...and if Mobile ever does annex that land...all she wrote for Birmingham.
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Old 08-14-2021, 09:56 PM
 
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What an absolute disaster for Birmingham. To go from the #1 city to only being separated by 150 people from Montgomery. Birmingham will be lucky to retain its #2 position at this rate...and if Mobile ever does annex that land...all she wrote for Birmingham.
Yea if the right council members are elected (2 of the “no†seats are up for grabs this election and has a chance of falling into at least annex sympathetics seats). All that’s needed is one more yes vote.
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Old 08-14-2021, 10:12 PM
 
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Yea if the right council members are elected (2 of the “no†seats are up for grabs this election and has a chance of falling into at least annex sympathetics seats). All that’s needed is one more yes vote.
I don’t see what Birmingham can do. I just don’t see a county consolidation happening. No way Vestavia Hills and Hoover will be on board for that. No way.
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