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Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 1,398 2,882 856 1,653 3,460 1,075 1,393 3,217 83
This is near the bottom of the Brookings link you just sent.Section Appendix A. Seems to me PHX metro is doing a lot better reducing violent crime in the city and suburbs than Buffalo has since 1990.
Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 1,398 2,882 856 1,653 3,460 1,075 1,393 3,217 83
This is near the bottom of the Brookings link you just sent.Section Appendix A. Seems to me PHX metro is doing a lot better reducing violent crime in the city and suburbs than Buffalo has since 1990.
My point was in regards to your comment about Northeastern cities. My post also showed that the Northeast has the lowest rates of property and violent crime.
Also, the difference in city setup effects the rates, as Phoenix as a city is very sprawled out to the point that if Buffalo was set up the same way, suburbs like say Lancaster or Clarence would be first ring suburbs. So, that also has to considered. Then, you have the aspect of declining urban population in the Buffalo area. So, if crime stays the same, but the population decreases, that will increase the crime rate in urban areas.
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My point was in regards to your comment about Northeastern cities. My post also showed that the Northeast has the lowest rates of property and violent crime.
Also, the difference in city setup effects the rates, as Phoenix as a city is very sprawled out to the point that if Buffalo was set up the same way, suburbs like say Lancaster or Clarence would be first ring suburbs. So, that also has to considered. Then, you have the aspect of declining urban population in the Buffalo area. So, if crime stays the same, but the population decreases, that will increase the crime rate in urban areas.
Fair enough. I am a numbers guy who sees where you are coming from. Very sprawled out for sure. Driving from Buckeye to Apache Junction (west and east end of PHX metro) is equivalent to Buffalo to Rochester.
Caught me in a good mood and reread those stats CK. The crime rates are based PER 100,000 people in Appendix A. City of Buffalo has a much higher violent crime average regardless than PHX. Stats based on per 100,000 people in all categories . That makes Buffalo's population loss irrelevant. Hey, given the drop in population to nearly 250,000, they will be off the Top 100 Most Populated Metro Areas soon enough so the city doesn't embarrass itself as a Major City. It will be lumped in with Medium cities like Norfolk which another poster thinks of when they think of Buffalo.
OK lets do number crunching. Buffalo is about 250,000 people. So lets multiply 2008's 3217 x's 2.5. 8042.5 crimes per year. Back in 1990, population around 350000 people. 10087 crimes per year.
8042.5/ 10087 ='s 79.73 %
2008 had 79.73 % of 1990 total violent crime despite losing appx 100,000 people in those 18 years.
1/3.5 ='s 28.57% population loss.
Population loss in those 18 years is 28.57%. Reduction in TOTAL violent crimes not even factoring in the 100,000 population loss is 20.27 %. Seems to me more violent crimes are taking place in Buffalo since population loss exceeds the ratio of total violent crime reduction.
Also, city size does make a difference in terms of land. Imagine if Buffalo included Amherst and Cheektowaga, as well as some other adjacent suburbs. That in essence would be similar to Phoenix, as that city has annexed adjacent land/communities in recent decades unlike Buffalo. Niagara Falls might also be included as well.
To put this into perspective, Pheonix and Niagara County are about the same in land size(516.7 vs. 523 square miles). So, Buffalo is more dense and urban, let alone smaller at roughly 40 square miles of land and with 260,000 people.
The majority of the Southtowns rarely get anywhere near that much snow. This past season we got maybe 85" & the year before that we had less than 70". I suspect you are getting your information from some website like Sperling's where they give annual snowfall totals, the problem with that is they take the highest number in the whole area. Hamburg is a very large town (area) & the only parts of it that typically get anywhere near that 150" mark are the rural areas in the extreme south near Boston & Colden (which is where the Colden snowbelt runs across from the lake). My daughters schools have been closed exactly 2 times over the past 2 years due to snow, its just not the issue some people make it out to be.
The winters here are long and cold..no use splitting snow flakes - plus the southtowns are NOT as bad as the amherstonians would have you think..but....shhhhhhh.. the folks in OP don't want to get all that traffic congestion coming THEIR way so they let the myth continue.
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