Texas Economy as Bad as California (San Jose, Sacramento: fit in, buy, school)

[slo1318]

The problem is its not just the state budget, but virtually all municipalities are struggling. Lower revenue, high and rising pension cost, and unsustainable "services". Alot of these services are made up or identified former free services simply to create revenue.

Heres an article from San Luis Obispo regarding these pension costs. Its headed for a boiling point, and not just in SLO.....


Pension costs could erode San Luis Obispo services - Local - SanLuisObispo.com

[.highnlite]

It is a wonder to me that the Conservatives seem to be the biggest whiners about cuts in services.
Aren't they the people that believe, "the government that governs best, governs least".
You think they would be out in the streets whooping and hollering, firing their guns into the air with excitement, over the oncoming smaller government.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

It is a wonder to me that the Conservatives seem to be the biggest whiners about cuts in services.
Aren't they the people that believe, "the government that governs best, governs least".
You think they would be out in the streets whooping and hollering, firing their guns into the air with excitement, over the oncoming smaller government.

Well, that's what they pay lip-service to. No firing guns though. Ammo's expensive and has to be stockpiled to ward off the total government takeover, dontcha know!

Remember, just 'cause you're paranoid that doesn't mean they're not following you.

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

It is a wonder to me that the Conservatives seem to be the biggest whiners about cuts in services.
Aren't they the people that believe, "the government that governs best, governs least".
You think they would be out in the streets whooping and hollering, firing their guns into the air with excitement, over the oncoming smaller government.

Many of those "services", should never have been services. This machine has been created over time, now its going to be whittled away at. There will be less services, there will be less actual employees, because they have to pay the ones that retired with ridiculous pensions. I realize the pension debacle is another topic, but it surely affects these budgets in a big way.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by californio sur

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/07/op...ml?ref=opinion

For those who promote Texas, a deep Red state with no state tax, as an example for California, it is clear that conservative policies fail.

"How bad is the Texas deficit? Comparing budget crises among states is tricky, for technical reasons. Still, data from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities suggest that the Texas budget gap is worse than New York’s, about as bad as California’s, but not quite up to New Jersey levels".

Believe what you want, many of our family members and friends are in the state of Texas, no it does not compare with California and you need to be a little more careful with your research. Texas has state texes, they just do not have any state income tax. There are many other kind of taxes. Most people who work and support themselves and their families are aware of all the vaious kinds of taxes. This isn't saying Texas has no problesm, every state has problems but Texas is certainly not in the same finanucual mess as California. Paul K is giving an opinion, writing a column and we all know his views. Most of us do not put much into what he has to say or write.


Nita

[.highnlite]

Hogwash,]Many of those "services", should never have been services.


Yep, the only services that should be services are the ones you like, right?


. There will be less services, there will be less actual employees, because they have to pay the ones that retired with ridiculous pensions.

Yes, you are right they are ridiculous pensions, how can anyone live on less than $20,000 a year.
I repeat this constantly but the non thinkers are also non hearers, the average retired state worker pension is less than $20,000 a year. Heck that is as bad as Nevada, a truly pathetic state for employee support. I don't know how anyone gets to adulthood without knowing this, but if a work gets a pension it is because they have had payments for that pension deducted from their gross pay, every paycheck as long a they work, like, duh.

Texas has state texes,

we be gettin our taxes and texas confused?


In case anyone is interested the State of Texas will take 8.4% of your money, the State of California, 10.5% a 1.9 % difference.

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Hogwash,]Many of those "services", should never have been services.


Yep, the only services that should be services are the ones you like, right?


. There will be less services, there will be less actual employees, because they have to pay the ones that retired with ridiculous pensions.

Yes, you are right they are ridiculous pensions, how can anyone live on less than $20,000 a year.
I repeat this constantly but the non thinkers are also non hearers, the average retired state worker pension is less than $20,000 a year. Heck that is as bad as Nevada, a truly pathetic state for employee support. I don't know how anyone gets to adulthood without knowing this, but if a work gets a pension it is because they have had payments for that pension deducted from their gross pay, every paycheck as long a they work, like, duh.

we be gettin our taxes and texas confused?


In case anyone is interested the State of Texas will take 8.4% of your money, the State of California, 10.5% a 1.9 % difference.

Your 'facts' are not very clear, because they are skewed for you own purposes. Any, average of $20k would include all low level employees that would skew the numbers drastically. Only 6% of corporations in the US offer any type of pension plan remotely similar to what the state of California does. Most people have to plan and prepare for their retirement. Did you read the article? And the million others that are out there.....

Also your example of what the states take is way off. Add sales tax, property tax, state income tax, use fees and its not that close.

[odannyboi]

californio.. is Texas and republicans a form of Viagra for you? It seems you get a hard-on just talking about the subjects.

I'm willing to bet that 75% of your 7500 posts (seriously.. do you have a job or hobbies?) are related to red state stereotypes and include this annoying smilie---->.

Your blind hatred on internet forums is part of the reason why our country is so polar.

To stay on topic...Texas has problems, but nowhere near Califorina's. A state like California should not have the problems it has now. The market is so large and the beautiful landscape is basically a large resort except with actual industries to work and grow in.

It takes alot of stupidity to screw up a state like California... but the voters keep electing the same morons that screwed it up in the fist place.

[TimC2462]

slo1318:

Here's some unsolicited advice for you: walk away. There is absolutely no point in wasting your effort trying to hold a meaningful conversation with someone who is close-minded.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by TimC2462

slo1318:

Here's some unsolicited advice for you: walk away. There is absolutely no point in wasting your effort trying to hold a meaningful conversation with someone who is close-minded.

...and is no longer a member; at least until he reincarnates as someone else.