05-28-2011, 07:02 PM
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Yeah, I've heard all that before.
I think you seem to forget the crap tons of companies present in the valley who got the wonderful 'outsourcing' party started... Last I checked, California isn't full of tea party people... Why then did it get kicked off from here? hmmm, all those asian/indian people w/ connection back home ... Hey boss, I know a way to save the company millions .... *jobs go overseas ... mr.outsourcer gets a fat bonus ..
Maybe given the fact that so many tech companies are located in one of the most expensive places in the U.S, they had to ship a good portion of jobs overseas to compensate for the high cost of locating here... Much to the detriment of broader America... but hey, people here have their jobs. The majority are employed still .. I got a job.. the weather is great. Life is good
05-28-2011, 07:25 PM
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I think you seem to forget the crap tons of companies present in the valley who got the wonderful 'outsourcing' party started... Last I checked, California isn't full of tea party people... Why then did it get kicked off from here? hmmm, all those asian/indian people w/ connection back home ... Hey boss, I know a way to save the company millions .... *jobs go overseas ... mr.outsourcer gets a fat bonus ..
Yup, blame the Asians instead of the people who
own the companies and chose to outsource. No doubt it was some guy named Raj who was getting paid $50k/year to write lines of code who put it in the heads of the CEO's... s'all his fault. Do you have a chart for this one, too?
What would the Tea Party do to keep outsourcing and job relocation from happening in California? I am still waiting to hear this. Let's say the Tea Party did manage to convince enough people into voting them into office in California; how could we expect this to improve when we are talking about a party founded on libertarian ideals that dictate that all regulation (which would prevent companies from moving jobs overseas and giving them to citizens of other nations) is akin to slavery and thus must be abolished?
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Maybe given the fact that so many tech companies are located in one of the most expensive places in the U.S, they had to ship a good portion of jobs overseas to compensate for the high cost of locating here... Much to the detriment of broader America... but hey, people here have their jobs. The majority are employed still .. I got a job.. the weather is great. Life is good
You wanna talk about anecdotal?
How about the fact that part of the reason Silicon Valley is one of the most expensive areas in the US is
because it's the epicenter of technology? Wouldn't it have been nice if someone had said, "you can't ship those jobs overseas; you'll just have to build another campus somewhere between Stockton and Fresno... sorry you won't be able to buy an extra yacht this year?"
05-28-2011, 08:10 PM
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Yup, blame the Asians instead of the people who own the companies and chose to outsource. No doubt it was some guy named Raj who was getting paid $50k/year to write lines of code who put it in the heads of the CEO's... s'all his fault. Do you have a chart for this one, too?
I think i might ...lol .. I don't recall i blamed anyone btw.... Saying that connections back at 'home' help grease the wheels. Anecdotally, most people don't speak mandarin/Cantonese/hindi nor have connections in these countries. Outsourcing of tech is quite clear and known in the valley.. and most notable you will have an indian manager coordinating w/ the indian team. a chinese coordinating w/ the china team and so on and so forth .. Just anecdotes ...
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What would the Tea Party do to keep outsourcing and job relocation from happening in California?
Who says it has to be a person from the tea party .. It could be Barney for all i care .. http://pbskids.kids.us/images/sub-square-barney.gif (broken link) .. how do you prevent job relocation outside the U.S? Simple.. Tariffs on imports that balance the trade. Brazil has very strict import laws .... as does china for that matter.
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415_s2k
I am still waiting to hear this. Let's say the Tea Party did manage to convince enough people into voting them into office in California; how could we expect this to improve when we are talking about a party founded on libertarian ideals that dictate that all regulation (which would prevent companies from moving jobs overseas and giving them to citizens of other nations) is akin to slavery and thus must be abolished?
*sigh ... you misrepresent the views.. and I ma not suggesting you vote for some quack who says they represent the tea party just as I am not suggesting you vote for some quack who says they are a democrat .. a quack is a quack.. vote for someone w/ some dam sense .. but that's not what people do .. CA's government and the U.S govt. reflect this.
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415_s2k
You wanna talk about anecdotal?because it's the epicenter of technology? Wouldn't it have been nice if someone had said, "you can't ship those jobs overseas; you'll just have to build another campus somewhere between Stockton and Fresno... sorry you won't be able to buy an extra yacht this year?"
Yep... and look what the idiots in this country do when you try to save money by locating in more tax friendly states :
Boeing S.C. plant at heart of labor lawsuit | The Post and Courier, Charleston SC - News, Sports, Entertainment
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...versus-boeing/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...266016016.html
This comes under the good ol' watch of obama. So, lets talk sense.. I am no more interested in idiots who proclaim we should ban regulation than I am idiots who over regulate. In general, people are morons and they support morons from their respective parties .. republican/democrats/tea party/libertarian .. You don't stop becoming a moron just because you associate yourself w/ particular political party...
05-28-2011, 08:52 PM
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05-29-2011, 03:58 AM
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Yawn! I could list hundreds for California just from a year or two and thousands if I went much further back. Waste of time, especially when casting pearls before swine.
You are now free to resume gulping the kool-aid!
05-29-2011, 05:16 PM
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Unfortunately we ca't do much about outsourcing, that would go against our semi-capitalistic economic policy. We could put tariffs on it but when people in China and India make 10 dollars a month I don't think the tariffs will do much. It is unfortunate but maybe some greedy ceo will decide to benefit America and move back to the US.
Yes, stupid people vote. That is why Jerry Brown is in office. Now to be fair to the voters of Brown, Meg Whitman also sucks.
05-29-2011, 05:44 PM
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I'm still trying to hang onto my job with all the government cuts in aerospace. I'm just preparing for the future!
Sounds like you just need more government spending in aerospace so you can keep your job in CA. Who says government spending is bad?
05-29-2011, 06:17 PM
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Sounds like you just need more government spending in aerospace so you can keep your job in CA. Who says government spending is bad?
Defending the United States is the responsibility of the federal government which includes funding and managing the Armed Forces and associated agencies. Bailing out investment banks, auto companies, insurance companies, private and commercial mortgages, bad loans used for mortgage backed securities, general stimulus handouts, (could go on and on …) is not the responsibility of the federal government. They spend all this money, tens of trillions of dollars, put us in unsustainable debt and still the economy did not improve ... just propped up temporarily. We are still going to crash and burn. But now we are in deep debt which will make any kind of real recovery extremely difficult and lengthy. We can't even afford the interest on the debt we owe other nations.
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People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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