We really dodged a bullet with SB 350, Brown flips out. (tax, exemptions)

[HappyinCali]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

If it was regulation that kept Tesla out of California, not the extra 750 million that NV offered, then explain why Tesla choose Arizona, Texas or New Mexico? It will be difficult for you because the only real answer is that they sold out to the highest bidder- Nevada. California had announced to Tesla that they would change the regulatory process for them, so I think that is a non-issue.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but if regulation is not an issue, as you have been arguing, why did it have to be waved? How many businesses do not have the muscle and pull Musk has in order to get regulations waved?

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by nslander

Because Tesla announced the NV deal In September, 2014

Nevada Selected As Official Site for Tesla Battery Gigafactory | Tesla Motors

when the bill was still alive

Bill History

And by all means, let's deregulate to lure Yucca Mountain business while we're at it.

So the legislative process was so slow that it couldn't get the bill out of committee in the months between the announcement of California being over regulated and when the decision was made.

You are making my point for me.

You realize that their is a regulation point between where we are now and storing nuclear waste right?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by HappyinCali

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but if regulation is not an issue, as you have been arguing, why did it have to be waved? How many businesses do not have the muscle and pull Musk has in order to get regulations waved?

This might prove useful in answering your first question: Tesla 'gigafactory': Will California waive environmental laws to get it? - CSMonitor.com Regarding your second question- you probably should ask that of your state legislative reps rather than me.

[AndyChrono]

Originally Posted by HappyinCali

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but if regulation is not an issue, as you have been arguing, why did it have to be waved? How many businesses do not have the muscle and pull Musk has in order to get regulations waved?

It came down to:

CA: $500 million incentives + waived regulations
vs.
NV: $1.25 billion incentives

Suffice to say, Musk didn't think the waived regulations would be worth more than an extra 750 million in incentives. When you consider that Tesla's total annual revenue last year was 3.2 billion, the choice is pretty clear which is the better deal.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

So the legislative process was so slow that it couldn't get the bill out of committee in the months between the announcement of California being over regulated and when the decision was made.

You are making my point for me.

No. Your specific lazy, cynical, point was the bill was never going to pass. After getting called on it, you are intentionally confusing regulatory burden with legislative deliberation.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by nslander

No. Your specific lazy, cynical, point was the bill was never going to pass. After getting called on it, you are intentionally confusing regulatory burden with legislative deliberation.

Has the bill passed and they just forgot to update the website?

No it hasn't.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by AndyChrono

It came down to:

CA: $500 million incentives + waived regulations
vs.
NV: $1.25 billion incentives

Suffice to say, Musk didn't think the waived regulations would be worth more than an extra 750 million in incentives. When you consider that Tesla's total annual revenue last year was 3.2 billion, the choice is pretty clear which is the better deal.

Not exactly

CA: $500 million incentives + a bill that never made it out of committee to waive regulations with a very small chance of actually passing and getting signed by the governor who has a history of in acting draconian environmental regulation.


Needing to waive overly burdensome regulations is exactly my point. The overly burdensome regulations kept it from happening, if they were not in existence in the first place then the state wouldn't have overly burdensome regulations negating the need to actually waive them.

[AndyChrono]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Not exactly

CA: $500 million incentives + a bill that never made it out of committee to waive regulations with a very small chance of actually passing and getting signed by the governor who has a history of in acting draconian environmental regulation.


Needing to waive overly burdensome regulations is exactly my point. The overly burdensome regulations kept it from happening, if they were not in existence in the first place then the state wouldn't have overly burdensome regulations negating the need to actually waive them.

Assume for a second that California had no regulations at all to waive. Then it would have come down to CA: $500 million vs NV: $1.25 billion and that's not a very hard choice. I understand wanting to tone-down some of these regs, but blaming the Tesla deal on them is a pretty big stretch.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by HappyinCali

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but if regulation is not an issue, as you have been arguing, why did it have to be waved? How many businesses do not have the muscle and pull Musk has in order to get regulations waved?

That's a false assumption. Nobody has suggested locals regs are never one consideration to a business decision. A state the with population and density of CA and whose wealth is notoriously tied up in property values is going to have enviro red-tape than a place like NV. But in THIS instance, there is no evidence to conclude it was THE reason.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Has the bill passed and they just forgot to update the website?

No it hasn't.

Are you expecting the lege to pick up the vote on a resolution to enter into WWII as well?