We really dodged a bullet with SB 350, Brown flips out. (Los Angeles: sale, universities)

[nslander]

Originally Posted by AndyChrono

Assume for a second that California had no regulations at all to waive. Then it would have come down to CA: $500 million vs NV: $1.25 billion and that's not a very hard choice. I understand wanting to tone-down some of these regs, but blaming the Tesla deal on them is a pretty big stretch.

Oh, and free land.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by AndyChrono

Assume for a second that California had no regulations at all to waive. Then it would have come down to CA: $500 million vs NV: $1.25 billion and that's not a very hard choice. I understand wanting to tone-down some of these regs, but blaming the Tesla deal on them is a pretty big stretch.

Musk said the most important thing is being able to get up and running asap so batteries will be available for their newer and lower priced model they want to release in 2017. Of course more of a tax break is better for them, but being up and running was paramount.

I am basing my argument directly on the words coming from the person running the organization.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Musk said the most important thing is being able to get up and running asap so batteries will be available for their newer and lower priced model they want to release in 2017. Of course more of a tax break is better for them, but being up and running was paramount.

I am basing my argument directly on the words coming from the person running the organization.

Then why did he bail out of NM after CA sweetened the pot?

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by nslander

Are you expecting the lege to pick up the vote on a resolution to enter into WWII as well?

It has been a failure all around when it comes to California fostering new and expanding business. This state is very lucky tech blossomed in the Bay Area 40 years ago. It is the only thinking keeping the state coffers afloat.

If the state was serious about keeping these various businesses they would remove many of the regulations so needing to pass a bill (which would let have made it passed the governors desk based on his previous stances on environmental regulation) would not be needed in the first place and business growth and development in non traditional areas for the state will grow and develope.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by nslander

Then why did he bail out of NM after CA sweetened the pot?

I'm not following, are you saying New Mexico?

[nslander]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

It has been a failure all around when it comes to California fostering new and expanding business. This state is very lucky tech blossomed in the Bay Area 40 years ago. It is the only thinking keeping the state coffers afloat.

If the state was serious about keeping these various businesses they would remove many of the regulations so needing to pass a bill (which would let have made it passed the governors desk based on his previous stances on environmental regulation) would not be needed in the first place and business growth and development in non traditional areas for the state will grow and develope.

I won't argue against that in principle. At the same time, as happens constantly in politics, the principle falls apart when placed in specific context. All it is then is a talking point.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by nslander

I won't argue against that in principle. At the same time, as happens constantly in politics, the principle falls apart when placed in specific context. All it is then is a talking point.

The first step in correcting the issue is to admit we have a problem.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

I'm not following, are you saying New Mexico?

Yeah, New Mexico-

After the announcement—but before the plant could be built—California made a richer offer. Tesla promptly abandoned New Mexico. (The company now says it shifted its site because the New Mexico plan was unworkable.) In California, Tesla has received sales-tax exemptions, which it expects will save the company $90 million over a decade.

Inside Elon Musk's $1.4 billion score - Fortune

Of course, the company had previously postured about CA's reg climate, but they got over that after we promised them money.

[CrownVic95]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

SB 350 only had gas use requirements that had to be met. It never said how these were going to be met. That would be up to the EPA, a unelected, accaountable to no one department led by a crazy person.
The only way they could cut gas use is by denying it or extreme taxes making it so expensive people would drastically change. I think Democrats knew if they passed this they were done. This would have been a killer for the poor and Democrats are always saying their for the little guy.
Everything is shipped by gas or diesel.
Electric cars only get 70 miles to a charge and are the size of a matchbox car or cost $100,000 so for the average person electric cars don't exist.
Brown is the high priest of his own pagen religion of the enviroment, he is dangerous.
The air is clean now.

I hadn't heard this - thx for the update.

The eco-nazis, as always, try to spin this as a victory for the oil companies when it is, in fact, a big victory and sigh of relief for the little people who would have been crushed had it passed.

Indeed, Brown and all sharing his climate hallucinations are dangerous. I hope this means more and more people are starting to catch on.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

The first step in correcting the issue is to admit we have a problem.

What if the larger problem is adherence to either/or thinking? Of which I am sometimes guilty.