We really dodged a bullet with SB 350, Brown flips out. (Sacramento: 2014, unemployed)

[nslander]

Originally Posted by slo1318

And while the air is cleaned up in the bay area, how is the cost of living? Highest in the nation?
I actually have a covered california plan, do you? They are awful, I do not recommend.

Are you really trying to argue state regulations account for the relative cost of housing - the main Calif COL outlier- rather than actual demand?

The ACA argument makes as little sense. But for shiggles, I have shopped the private health plans accessed through the CC exchange. They generally offer the same minimal coverage previously marketed, only more readily available.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Sure would have been nice if the tesla plant opened here instead of Nevada, would have been hundreds if not thousands of high paying jobs, guess why they didn't open here? Yes that is right, regulation.

Regulation had nothing to do with Tesla locating in Nevada, Tesla went with the highest bidder. Nevada ponied up 1.25 billion, California only offered them 500 million and Nevada is just now realizing how badly they got screwed over. Tesla is importing the lithium from Mexico rather than buying it from NV mines, and they are importing 200 Panasonic workers to make batteries.

Nevada has never been very clever about giving taxpayer money to 'lure' business to the state. a few years ago they gave Apple eighty-eight million in tax breaks - and they will probably never get anything for that, Apple built a lights out data center, they will never need more than a few onsite employees who know how to swap out a router.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Regulation had nothing to do with Tesla locating in Nevada, Tesla went with the highest bidder. Nevada ponied up 1.25 billion, California only offered them 500 million and Nevada is just now realizing how badly they got screwed over. Tesla is importing the lithium from Mexico rather than buying it from NV mines, and they are importing 200 Panasonic workers to make batteries.

Nevada has never been very clever about giving taxpayer money to 'lure' business to the state. a few years ago they gave Apple eighty-eight million in tax breaks - and they will probably never get anything for that, Apple built a lights out data center, they will never need more than a few onsite employees who know how to swap out a router.

Beat me to it.

SFL, what was your source for believing the Tesla decision turned on regulations?

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by nslander

Beat me to it.

SFL, what was your source for believing the Tesla decision turned on regulations?

Elon Musk is the source

California didn’t make Tesla’s list of potential sites for the battery plant because of the amount of time needed to win environmental and regulatory approval, Musk said.

“California has a lot of regulatory agencies, and although this will be a very green factory, we can’t have a situation where an enormous amount of data has to be processed by a regulatory agency to find no significant impact and then give us approval to proceed,” he said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...phasizes-speed

The plant is supposed to provide 6,500 high paying jobs. Maybe even more as demand for lithium batteries constantly increases.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Elon Musk is the source

California didn’t make Tesla’s list of potential sites for the battery plant because of the amount of time needed to win environmental and regulatory approval, Musk said.

“California has a lot of regulatory agencies, and although this will be a very green factory, we can’t have a situation where an enormous amount of data has to be processed by a regulatory agency to find no significant impact and then give us approval to proceed,” he said.
Tesla Plans Multiple Battery Sites to Speed Up Supplies - Bloomberg Business

The plant is supposed to provide 6,500 high paying jobs. Maybe even more as demand for lithium batteries constantly increases.

That was in April 2014, but "In an interview in early June, Tesla’s top communications official said the state was back in the game"

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

That was in April 2014, but "In an interview in early June, Tesla’s top communications official said the state was back in the game"

Probably trying to get California to waive certain environmental restrictions, like they did for the basketball stadium in Sacramento and to drive up the bid from other states as well.

Ultimately, the ability to get off the ground quickly to provide batteries for a new product was paramount. This put places like NV in a position that could not be matched in ca without violating the regulations (that drive out business, which is my point).

The tesla plant would probably not even have broken ground yet if it decided to build in California.

[WizardOfRadical]

This could not have been shot down without democrats saying no to it too.

The fact is, Brown new it was destined to fail. It's political chess and he was pandering to his eco base, that resents him for being fiscally middle of the road. Just like he knows high speed rail will never happen. But it sure sounds good, and made a lot of his friends richer.

Let's be real, pretty much rich white people are the only people that can afford to live near the office. Everyone else commutes.

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by WizardOfRadical

This could not have been shot down without democrats saying no to it too.

The fact is, Brown new it was destined to fail. It's political chess and he was pandering to his eco base, that resents him for being fiscally middle of the road. Just like he knows high speed rail will never happen. But it sure sounds good, and made a lot of his friends richer.

Let's be real, pretty much rich white people are the only people that can afford to live near the office. Everyone else commutes.

Race? I'd think rich blacks, latinos, asians and indians live near the office...

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by nslander

Are you really trying to argue state regulations account for the relative cost of housing - the main Calif COL outlier- rather than actual demand?

The ACA argument makes as little sense. But for shiggles, I have shopped the private health plans accessed through the CC exchange. They generally offer the same minimal coverage previously marketed, only more readily available.

100% - Ive been in the home building industry for 25 years, degree in architecture. Yes, they have an enormous effect on the cost of housing. Its not the only factor but its huge. If you can get a permit to build your home in Dallas for $4000 compared to $60,000 for an average size home. Not only that, but the regulation on each trade that works on home construction is highly demanding and expensive and adds heavily to construction cost. The affect is that only people with a lot of money can afford to build a custom home.



I have one of those crappy plans. First, only two insurance companies are participating. Second only 1/3 or the doctors actually accept them. Third, imagine making a change to your auto insurance, but first you have your agent has to get approval through the DMV. This is what its like. I made a prescription change 17 days ago, the insurance company has to wait for approval through covered California and they arent really motivated to help. After two weeks they asked me to write a letter explaining the situation!
Soon, I'll be back on private insurance, but I feel for those who are stuck with that ACA crap. The government doesnt need to be involved in health decisions. There has to be another way.

[V8 Vega]

SB 350 only had gas use requirements that had to be met. It never said how these were going to be met. That would be up to the EPA, a unelected, accaountable to no one department led by a crazy person.
The only way they could cut gas use is by denying it or extreme taxes making it so expensive people would drastically change. I think Democrats knew if they passed this they were done. This would have been a killer for the poor and Democrats are always saying their for the little guy.
Everything is shipped by gas or diesel.
Electric cars only get 70 miles to a charge and are the size of a matchbox car or cost $100,000 so for the average person electric cars don't exist.
Brown is the high priest of his own pagen religion of the enviroment, he is dangerous.
The air is clean now.