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Some people may be bitter, but I would say that just because someone says something that isn't rainbows and unicorns about California, it isn't unwarranted bashing. Sometimes it's just the truth.
" California is so expensive" response: "Stop bashing California. You're a bitter loser."
" California has a large homeless problem" response: "Stop bashing California. You're a bitter loser."
" California's roads are in poor shape" response: "Stop bashing California. You're a bitter loser."
The list goes on. All these are truthful statements, not just bashing. I'm not bitter about California at all. I still visit about 6 to 8 weeks a year and enjoyed living there all my life. I enjoy my visits. Just because I believe those comments are true doesn't mean I am bashing it, just stating the facts. I left not because I am bitter, I just found a better way of life that suits my particular needs by moving.
Other states have issues too. Where I live now has issues and if someone brings them up I don't consider it bashing, just speaking the truth.
True words.... I've traveled to a lot of states and never encounter this weird elitism I experience almost on a daily basis here. I'm a native and some new comers (the worst offenders) are even snobby to me!! The coastal city residents being the worst offenders.
Some people may be bitter, but I would say that just because someone says something that isn't rainbows and unicorns about California, it isn't unwarranted bashing. Sometimes it's just the truth.
" California is so expensive" response: "Stop bashing California. You're a bitter loser."
" California has a large homeless problem" response: "Stop bashing California. You're a bitter loser."
" California's roads are in poor shape" response: "Stop bashing California. You're a bitter loser."
The list goes on. All these are truthful statements, not just bashing. I'm not bitter about California at all. I still visit about 6 to 8 weeks a year and enjoyed living there all my life. I enjoy my visits. Just because I believe those comments are true doesn't mean I am bashing it, just stating the facts. I left not because I am bitter, I just found a better way of life that suits my particular needs by moving.
Other states have issues too. Where I live now has issues and if someone brings them up I don't consider it bashing, just speaking the truth.
Every state has its bad points and good ones. And every person has their own version of what makes it great or ordinary or time to go. And if its useful to you depends on what your choices are pointing towards. Most of my grandfather's family is still camped out in Missouri. But my grandfather wanted more and left. Some of the family never left and some came back and some ended up in California. But it was all their choices, and for each it was the RIGHT choice.
Ten years before, when I moved here to Oklahoma, I would have never considered it. But we DID want to move somewhere which was less city and more open space, and lived slower. Between life and money, it proved impossible. He and I split. But after trying to manage in socal, I was wanting somewhere cheaper, and eventually different.
I wouldn't move back to socal. Too many people, too rushed, and way to expensive. But if you like that pace of life, then stay but do it as YOUR choice. That's really what its all about. What works for you, doesn't have to work for everyone, or even the whole family. And where I live now is NOT perfect. But its got the things I need, and sometimes you have to prioritize.
The really helpful things I've found on here have reflected that attitude over looking for perfection and probably much anxiety about the what if I don't like it question. Even if you visited and loved it, there's a difference between moving there and visiting. You have to break it down into *why*. Go and see it with that in mind too. Don't mistake the pull of memory at home for reasons to stay if those memories are long over. Live in today and what you want in tomorrow.
I would not tell people as an guarenteed invitation to move here to small town Oklahoma. But, if you need a low cost of living and like a quiet life, maybe check into it, or something like it. If a quiet life is not only valued but needed, and you hate rushing things, maybe it would work. But look at all the stuff which is both desired and needed, and keep an open mind. And what works for you may not for anyone else you know.
The problem with not looking beyond that big term and generalization is its often just the image, and so easy to leave out the hard parts like can you afford it and will it provide a good base for all of it, you are not seeing the whole story.
And sometimes, life's rule happened and you end up finding the best option even if its far from the perfect one, but it works.
And sometimes it wasn't even in your radar, but it found you. Change will find you even if you don't want it to.
When life changes, its up to us to learn to deal because the one certainty is it *will* change even if we hadn't planned on it. So use it to find the place you need *now*, as the realities of life are, and with a foundation, and make peace and a life that works.
True words.... I've traveled to a lot of states and never encounter this weird elitism I experience almost on a daily basis here. I'm a native and some new comers (the worst offenders) are even snobby to me!! The coastal city residents being the worst offenders.
Apparently you have never been to Texas, or around too many Texans.
Californians pale in comparison to Texans, never seen anything like it.
FYI, it's always the newcomers especially the current generation. They move from Nebraska to Southern CA having watched "Entourage" and "90210" and in order to be trendy put on airs. As a native you should know this.
Apparently you have never been to Texas, or around too many Texans.
Californians pale in comparison to Texans, never seen anything like it.
FYI, it's always the newcomers especially the current generation. They move from Nebraska to Southern CA having watched "Entourage" and "90210" and in order to be trendy put on airs. As a native you should know this.
Interesting. I've found totally the opposite to be true. Guess it depends on the lens you're looking through.
Apparently you have never been to Texas, or around too many Texans.
Californians pale in comparison to Texans, never seen anything like it.
Oh geez. Been to Texas. You are so right.
As to CA being expensive, sure. If you live in the urban coastal areas or Monterrey. I live in a desirable retirement area where home prices are 25% of the Bay Area or LA. I’m Retired in CA!
As to CA being expensive, sure. If you live in the urban coastal areas or Monterrey. I live in a desirable retirement area where home prices are 25% of the Bay Area or LA. I’m Retired in CA!
Yes but you must have a net worth in excess of $5 million, like CaliRestoration says is required for happiness here, right?
Not really bothered, just making an observation I've seen dozens of times over by acquaintances and employees of mine who love it out here only to bash it on there way back home with their tail between their legs. Obviously people leave for all sorts of reasons, and California isn't for everyone, but most point out what they did like on their way out. I guess it all comes down to what type of person you are, someone that's happy in life, or someone that is bitter. I still stand by my comment that people that bash it are bitter.
I'm not really bothered either. And I will mirror pretty much everything that aslowdodge said to you...
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Originally Posted by aslowdodge
Some people may be bitter, but I would say that just because someone says something that isn't rainbows and unicorns about California, it isn't unwarranted bashing. Sometimes it's just the truth.
" California is so expensive" response: "Stop bashing California. You're a bitter loser."
" California has a large homeless problem" response: "Stop bashing California. You're a bitter loser."
" California's roads are in poor shape" response: "Stop bashing California. You're a bitter loser."
The list goes on. All these are truthful statements, not just bashing. I'm not bitter about California at all. I still visit about 6 to 8 weeks a year and enjoyed living there all my life. I enjoy my visits. Just because I believe those comments are true doesn't mean I am bashing it, just stating the facts. I left not because I am bitter, I just found a better way of life that suits my particular needs by moving.
Other states have issues too. Where I live now has issues and if someone brings them up I don't consider it bashing, just speaking the truth.
I would add the "echo chamber" aspect of the Bay Area to his list also. Again, I don't look at this as bashing at all. It is the truth.
As for being bitter, lol, hardly. I want San Francisco and the Bay Area to be prosperous for years to come. I hope there are numerous multi-millionaires created with technolgy companies and the other thriving industries there. My wife and I didn't sell our home. We're renting it. In addition, she will be inheriting more property there. As long as the area is prosperous, we will be set for years to come. Why would I want the Bay Area and California in general to fail?
I will also hold to my statement that this thread is a straw man. And for any that doubt it, feel free to go through the last 20 pages + of threads and point out all the threads bashing CA from people moving out of the area. Good luck with that because you're not going to find that multitude of threads you guys think you will (but give it your best shot). I think ultimately what you'll find is an overreaction to comments like those listed above, which aren't bashing at all. Just some truthful statements that some overly sensitive people can't handle because they believe people should all be cheerleaders and only say sugar coated things about CA.
As to CA being expensive, sure. If you live in the urban coastal areas or Monterrey. I live in a desirable retirement area where home prices are 25% of the Bay Area or LA. I’m Retired in CA!
I'm retired in CA too!
My husband and I have taken a gander at many other places for possible relocation. We've been all over Washington, Oregon, Idaho, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Texas, North Carolina, Colorado, New York, Michigan, and a few other states as well.
After our visits, we always come home, look around, and decide that we like where we are just fine. Don't get me wrong - those other places are all beautiful in their own rights, but just not beautiful enough to make us start packing our bags and start all over.
In our case, we have a good set up here in inland San Diego County, with acreage, a house that's been tailored to our preferences over the years, no close neighbors, yet shopping and doctors just down the road. We bought out here because it was less expensive than the rest of San Diego (it still is) but we still had to stretch quite a bit at the time to make it work. Things got easier financially for us as we advanced in our careers. But, we never felt the need to acquire a "bigger, better, flashier" house.
Our family is close by (our oldest just bought a house near us) and so are our friends -- and our entire lives.
Maybe we just haven't found the right "miracle" place yet, but we haven't found an area where we could recreate what we have right now - in Southern California - and come out with enough cash to make starting over in an entirely different place a "must do" for us.
We're far from wealthy. But we have always lived very thriftily and saved for retirement using California as our baseline, so we're not in any desperate need of lowering our cost of living. We'll be fine here for the duration.
So, this is probably where they'll plant me, and I'm good with that. I love it here. A lot.This is my home.
But, every person and family has to make their own decisions in life. And, really, it is silly to live somewhere if you are miserable there. We live in a great big WONDERFUL Country, where there is a place for everyone. So, I don't feel any need to belittle other people who have made choices different than mine.
Do what's best for you and your family. I wish everyone a happy life --like I've found-- whereever you end up living.
Sometimes people like to vent out on City Data even after they already left California
By the way those are really beautiful pics
That's because people want to make it out like California is the best when in reality it's not at all. I left last month and I got my first paycheck today here in NC. I am making the same I made in Pasadena with a much lower COL, paying less in rent in a much bigger house not a apartment.
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Apparently you have never been to Texas, or around too many Texans.
Californians pale in comparison to Texans, never seen anything like it.
FYI, it's always the newcomers especially the current generation. They move from Nebraska to Southern CA having watched "Entourage" and "90210" and in order to be trendy put on airs. As a native you should know this.
Actually I have been to Waco, San Antonio and Austin. SA and Waco the residents couldn't be nicer. Austin they were nice but don't think they're thrilled with Californians there... maybe independent can chime in here with his opinion. Texas is state proud but I didn't find them elitist they just have Texas stars and flags everywhere.
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