Coronavirus (bracket, home, theater)

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Just got back from dinner and a movie. Mask free, as was everyone else. Back to normal for most of us. Son goes to a local gym. No masks required, which is good cause they DO... NOT ...KEEP you from getting Covid as has been witnessed.

That is GREAT! And doesn't it feel good? I bet it does.

Life is meant to be enjoyed and we're not getting any younger. Get out there and enjoy it

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by HereOnMars

Wrong! The ADA (Americans With Disabilities Act) require that restaurants must have a serving area that will accommodate a wheelchair. Bathrooms must be outfitted to accommodate the same. So a person who has mobility issues can (and does) eat at a restaurant.

I was comparing a non-ADA scenario with no COVID-19 safety measures. We must accommodate disabled people but tell people at high risk from the virus to buzz off?

You're grasping at straws. The fact remains that you want to live in a society where everyone conforms to your wants and needs. Humans don't like being locked up or told what to do or what to put in their body. Just as with other diseases, you'll just have to learn to live with Covid because, in one form or another, it's here to stay. smh

Locked up has nothing to do with this. In the real world, people are told all the time what to do, doesn't matter that they probably don't like it. America "Land of the Free" - people think that's how things work? "Learn to live with" as in do nothing is irresponsible and cannot work.

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

I was comparing a non-ADA scenario with no COVID-19 safety measures. We must accommodate disabled people but tell people at high risk from the virus to buzz off?

Locked up has nothing to do with this. In the real world, people are told all the time what to do, doesn't matter that they probably don't like it. America "Land of the Free" - people think that's how things work? "Learn to live with" as in do nothing is irresponsible and cannot work.

There are no restaurants in California that are non-ADA. It's the law. And I don't know anything about anyone telling people to buzz off. And learning to live with doesn't mean disregarding cautionary rules that work for you. Now it's you who are surmising things that weren't written.

You know what? Knock yourself out coming up with new ways to fight the virus or change human behavior. You think over-expansion of rules is going to save the world. It's not. It's done a lot of damage already with upticks in suicide. Our youngsters are suffering mental anguish more than any other time in their life. But you go on and beat your drum for more regulation and rules and just see how well it all turns out. I'm done with you

Good luck

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by HereOnMars

That is GREAT! And doesn't it feel good? I bet it does.

Life is meant to be enjoyed and we're not getting any younger. Get out there and enjoy it

Yup Yup. Celebration of LIFE. No going backward. The mentally ill are either going to have to deal with it or suffer and that is sad. Not our problemo.

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Yup Yup. Celebration of LIFE. No going backward. The mentally ill are either going to have to deal with it or suffer and that is sad. Not our problemo.

100% correct. Ever thought that maybe this is why we've seen an increase in violence lately? People who were already swimming in the shallow end of the pool have finally lost it.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by HereOnMars

There are no restaurants in California that are non-ADA. It's the law. And I don't know anything about anyone telling people to buzz off. And learning to live with doesn't mean disregarding cautionary rules that work for you. Now it's you who are surmising things that weren't written.

You know what? Knock yourself out coming up with new ways to fight the virus or change human behavior. You think over-expansion of rules is going to save the world. It's not. It's done a lot of damage already with upticks in suicide. Our youngsters are suffering mental anguish more than any other time in their life. But you go on and beat your drum for more regulation and rules and just see how well it all turns out. I'm done with you

Good luck

There's no evidence that suicide has increased due to the pandemic. It's been increasing over the years, for various reasons that are beyond the scope of this thread.

What magic individual protections can someone use in a restaurant other than wear a mask the entire time (and therefore weirdly not eat or drink)? Everyone knows that masking up for small portions of the time there is an exercise in futility.

Sure, let's be completely rigid and pretend the pandemic is over. That will turn out well

[ThinkingOutsideTheBox]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

There's no evidence that suicide has increased due to the pandemic. It's been increasing over the years, for various reasons that are beyond the scope of this thread.

What magic individual protections can someone use in a restaurant other than wear a mask the entire time (and therefore weirdly not eat or drink)? Everyone knows that masking up for small portions of the time there is an exercise in futility.

Sure, let's be completely rigid and pretend the pandemic is over. That will turn out well

The pandemic is over for most people except for the most paranoid. The powers that be, even during the restrictive lockdowns of 2020 were perfectly fine with groups of people looting and burning down restaurants under the name of social justice and you still want restrictions on dining due to it's an activity that requires mask removal.

BART has become a hotbed of crime yet they waste their time reinstating the mask mandate rather than focus on trying to make law abiding people safe from actual assaults from groups of people who are except from all the rules in the Bay Area's political climate. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ba...-18/ar-AAWHF6m

[suzy_q2010]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00328-8

"Two studies suggest that ‘breakthrough’ SARS-CoV-2 infections result in improved immune protection against multiple variants of the virus, and data from one of the studies indicates that such infections also protect against Omicron."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00063-0

"Several research groups have cross-referenced the mutations in Omicron with sites in the SARS-CoV-2 genome that are known targets of T cells. They have found that the majority of sites that T cells recognize are present in Omicron.

Other studies have analysed T cells taken from people who have either received a COVID-19 vaccine or been infected with a previous variant, and found that these T cells can respond to Omicron2–4. 'The T-cell responses remain quite intact, that’s good news,' says Corine Geurts van Kessel, a clinical virologist at the Erasmus Medical Centre in Rotterdam, the Netherlands."

[beachGecko]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

There's no evidence that suicide has increased due to the pandemic.

Drug overdoses and accidental injuries have. I suspect much of this increase is driven by suicides being relabeled.

[beachGecko]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Vaccine mandates were permitted by the courts.

Just for HCWs, the one for employers was thrown out. However, there is no need to mandate HCWs to get a vaccine that doesn't prevent or even measurably curtail transmission. They should re-sue, but I guess all HCWs either quit or were vaxxed at this point.