Coronavirus (metropolitan, foreign, avoid)

[goodheathen]

California has the option of banning short-term rentals to young individuals. It's single young people who are most prone to partying, though a law would also have to ban coupled young folks to avoid marital-status discrimination claims. I don't believe there are federal age-discrimination protections for people who haven't reached middle age. Ontario stopped all short-term rentals as a coronavirus precaution.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

I think it needs an atmosphere of the neighbors and government are watching (for example, police driving through neighborhoods and giving warnings on loudspeakers), and the media ominously communicating that to the public. If that makes some people want to move out of LA or the entire state, good. The fewer people around, especially if less than cooperative, the less spread of COVID-19.

You would do really well in one of those Orwellian, South Asian countries... maybe Malaysia, Thailand or Singapore. If we just treated every conceivable covid19 faux pas as a capital crime, we wouldn't need to rely on getting people to move, just hang them in public instead.

[wac_432]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Sounds like more of your sophisticated-sounding wishful thinking. People can and do get re-infected. New York City was the epicenter, and the percentage of people testing positive there is very low and many activities remain forbidden. Much of the rest of the state is semi-rural, meaning there isn't much that ever is open and it's unlikely for community spread to get very high.

I agree that it's likely wishful thinking. However, how do you explain the downward trend in cases in Florida and clear fall off in Arizona? What about Qatar? Sweden could be explained by their summer vacation, but the dramatic drop happened with very little hangover time, right AT their summer break, instead of 20-something days later. As we've seen, this virus takes about a month to manifest change in cases following a change in behavior.

Anyway, it hardly matters. We've failed to contain the virus, so whether it takes 1 month or 6 to burn through the rest of the population, that's where we're headed.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by wac_432

I agree that it's likely wishful thinking. However, how do you explain the downward trend in cases in Florida and clear fall off in Arizona? What about Qatar? Sweden could be explained by their summer vacation, but the dramatic drop happened with very little hangover time, right AT their summer break, instead of 20-something days later. As we've seen, this virus takes about a month to manifest change in cases following a change in behavior.

Anyway, it hardly matters. We've failed to contain the virus, so whether it takes 1 month or 6 to burn through the rest of the population, that's where we're headed.

No, that's more wishful thinking, because it probably would take longer than 6 months and besides people can be reinfected, making COVID-19 endemic unless strict control measures happen.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by joosoon

You would do really well in one of those Orwellian, South Asian countries... maybe Malaysia, Thailand or Singapore. If we just treated every conceivable covid19 faux pas as a capital crime, we wouldn't need to rely on getting people to move, just hang them in public instead.

I don't think Thailand is on the authoritarian level of Malaysia or Singapore, but all of them have controlled COVID-19 much better than the United States, beyond whatever circumstantial advantages they might have. Keep attacking me and anyone else for having the basic correct strategy while California and most other parts of the country remain lax and ineffective.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

many who test positive don't get sick, doesn't bother them at all.

Right.

1 in 3 Young Adults May Face Severe COVID-19, UCSF Study Shows:
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/07/41...sf-study-shows

[roadwarrior101]

Looks like Mono County is now on the watch list and this is due to infected people spreading at restaurants: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...s-15431704.php

Stay home people! What is wrong with folks? Give up some instant gratification so that we can all get through this quicker. People acting like there's no big deal is causing this to get worse and worse to where more measures need to be taken.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by wac_432

Cutting the class from 24 to 12, and cutting the total hours of instruction delivered in person by the teacher by 30% would make the room seem pretty empty and certainly curtail exposure.

Interesting info on why young children are not as susceptible to this virus....although we still don't know how much they can spread it.

“All things being equal, kids are far more likely to transmit things,” says Graham, referencing the way children in particular tend to interact with each other and touch all kinds of objects and body parts. She notes, however, that there aren’t enough data to show that they do transmit the virus on par with adults.

One theory for why children may be less likely to spread the disease to others has to do with the fact that COVID-19 primarily spreads through the droplets you breathe out, and children may breathe out with less force, and closer to the ground.

One prevailing theory for children under 10 don’t seem to get as sick has to do with an enzyme called ACE2. When SARS-CoV-2 enters the body, the spikey proteins encircling the virus latch on to ACE2 like a key fitting into a lock.

“One of the theories is that children have the [ACE2] receptors for this virus more in the nose [and] in the upper respiratory system than in the lungs, and adults have these receptors in the lungs,” says Elizabeth Barnett, chief of pediatric infectious diseases at Boston Medical Center and professor of pediatrics at Boston University School of Medicine..."

Here's what COVID-19 does to a child's body
As schools prepare to reopen, experts weigh in on whether youth protects against the virus, and how readily kids can spread it to adults:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...35B29A58031BF6

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

Looks like Mono County is now on the watch list and this is due to infected people spreading at restaurants: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...s-15431704.php

Stay home people! What is wrong with folks? Give up some instant gratification so that we can all get through this quicker. People acting like there's no big deal is causing this to get worse and worse to where more measures need to be taken.

I like the article's mention of the new requirements of restaurant workers. I wish logistically it made sense for their LA counterparts to be mandated to wear PPE like face shields.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Interesting info on why young children are not as susceptible to this virus....although we still don't know how much they can spread it.

“All things being equal, kids are far more likely to transmit things,” says Graham, referencing the way children in particular tend to interact with each other and touch all kinds of objects and body parts. She notes, however, that there aren’t enough data to show that they do transmit the virus on par with adults.

One theory for why children may be less likely to spread the disease to others has to do with the fact that COVID-19 primarily spreads through the droplets you breathe out, and children may breathe out with less force, and closer to the ground.

One prevailing theory for children under 10 don’t seem to get as sick has to do with an enzyme called ACE2. When SARS-CoV-2 enters the body, the spikey proteins encircling the virus latch on to ACE2 like a key fitting into a lock.

“One of the theories is that children have the [ACE2] receptors for this virus more in the nose [and] in the upper respiratory system than in the lungs, and adults have these receptors in the lungs,” says Elizabeth Barnett, chief of pediatric infectious diseases at Boston Medical Center and professor of pediatrics at Boston University School of Medicine..."

Here's what COVID-19 does to a child's body
As schools prepare to reopen, experts weigh in on whether youth protects against the virus, and how readily kids can spread it to adults:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...35B29A58031BF6

That's similar to what I thought when I first heard that small children are less contagious. However, my thought for this morning is that because many nursery school and kindergarten teachers habitually go down to the kids' level to interact with them, that formal schooling might as well be cancelled. Except in districts where many parents don't have the language skills to teach their little ones English.

There is spread among young children in California child-care settings.
https://edsource.org/2020/coronaviru...ilities/636276

Also, I think some school classrooms should be used for older students who can walk to school and use neighborhood-vicinity learning pods for others. Avoid busing as much as possible.