Coronavirus (San Francisco: home, allergies, living in)

[sav858]

Originally Posted by wac_432

I'll admit that goodheathen was more correct than I about the impact of Omicron. While I expected nearly everyone to get infected, I did not expect "so much" social disruption. Things are still running near-normally in my town, but 1 of 3 of my children's extracurricular activities has been moved from in-person to virtual due to a (healthy young non-symptomatic) coach testing (for some reason) positive. Also a few items seem to be stocked low, but that may be due to me shopping on a different day than usual.

I still maintain that Omicron was unstoppable in the real world, and that restrictions--including the present test-and-quarantine of 3X vaxxed individuals--is doing more harm than good.

I bet that the next recommendation from the CDC will be that 3+ vaxxed people (who aren't/don't have contact with/ high risk individuals) will no longer be recommended to test for COVID or quarantine for some arbitrary period, but rather just stay home until any cold/flu/covid-like symptoms resolve.

It's so unnecessary though because we're still basically living by the same rules/protocols as when this first started. Why so many people with no or mild symptoms are getting tested and then staying home is beyond me. And now you have all these people with mild symptoms clogging up ER's. People have been conditioned to freak out when they show absolutely no symptoms now and have turned into permanent hypochondriacs.

[goodheathen]

Staying home should be the default for most people, infected or not. Except for those who can get effective, rather scarce antibodies or antivirals (which I assume get rid of most traces of the virus), there's the at least mild risk of long-COVID. If that proves to be 10% of cases, society will take a long, long time to recover from this wave.
https://www.infectioncontroltoday.co...-of-long-covid
Also, anyone who catches Omicron is likely to pass it on a few people down the line to individuals who then will truly need urgent medical care followed by regular care for a while. Vulnerable people generally are not and cannot be sequestered from everyone else. They're much more active participants in American society than is commonly thought.

[Racer46]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Staying home should be the default for most people, infected or not. Except for those who can get effective, rather scarce antibodies or antivirals (which I assume get rid of most traces of the virus), there's the at least mild risk of long-COVID. If that proves to be 10% of cases, society will take a long, long time to recover from this wave.
https://www.infectioncontroltoday.co...-of-long-covid
Also, anyone who catches Omicron is likely to pass it on a few people down the line to individuals who then will truly need urgent medical care followed by regular care for a while. Vulnerable people generally are not and cannot be sequestered from everyone else. They're much more active participants in American society than is commonly thought.

As the report brings out, getting even Omicron can have some serious results down the line. You may be classed as surviving not dying, but a lot of damage can occur and is doing so and you do not know about it right away. I am not looking forward to what comes next.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Staying home should be the default for most people, infected or not. Except for those who can get effective, rather scarce antibodies or antivirals (which I assume get rid of most traces of the virus), there's the at least mild risk of long-COVID. If that proves to be 10% of cases, society will take a long, long time to recover from this wave.
https://www.infectioncontroltoday.co...-of-long-covid
Also, anyone who catches Omicron is likely to pass it on a few people down the line to individuals who then will truly need urgent medical care followed by regular care for a while. Vulnerable people generally are not and cannot be sequestered from everyone else. They're much more active participants in American society than is commonly thought.

Disagree and this mentality just shows how people have been reconditioned into hypochondriacs and basically want society to shut down to protect the "most vulnerable" who have always been the "most vulnerable" to every disease and virus out there.

Oh no people with no or mild symptoms are passing along a virus that also gives most people no or mild symptoms. How ever will we survive.....

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I just ran across this article about a new vaccine, it sounds pretty good.

Yes, and a nice pump in the $DVAX stock price this morning. I'm curious to know if this could go higher with positive news.

I know. I should be more interested in the effects of the vaccine and people but people are crazy and vaccines aren't really stopping this virus. They're only keeping people from dying. They need a new name for it, not "vaccine."

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by sav858

Disagree and this mentality just shows how people have been reconditioned into hypochondriacs and basically want society to shut down to protect the "most vulnerable" who have always been the "most vulnerable" to every disease and virus out there.

Oh no people with no or mild symptoms are passing along a virus that also gives most people no or mild symptoms. How ever will we survive.....

Society is having enough trouble functioning just from reasonably healthy people being infected or exposed. There maybe never has been a virus as widespread as COVD-19 that isn't benign. For example, more cases this month in the USA than polio in the country in its worst year. The vulnerable have a lot more to fear than before.

[As Above So Below...]

The default should absolutely not be staying home. If you want to do that, go for it. The default should be doing whatever the hell you please if youre boosted and not immunocompromised. Telling people who are vaxxed they have to be as restricted as those who arent is ridiculous.

Fun thing about that article. It never says Omicron causes long Covid. What it says is:

"Bruce Patterson, MD, who works for the Chronic COVID Treatment Center, says it is too soon to determine whether Omicron can cause long COVID, but believes it will follow the same route as Delta in that regard.".

but it also says:

"Monica Gandhi, MD, MPH, an infectious disease expert and a professor at the University of California, San Francisco, has been saying throughout the pandemic that COVID-19 will devolve into a seasonal nuisance like the common cold and influenza. She told ICT® in a Q&A in September that “if you study the history of infectious diseases … there has not been a single infection that we have not been able to get through if they don’t infect the immune system or if we have an adequate vaccine. If you develop an effective vaccine for an infection, even in the face of vaccine hesitancy, lack of vaccine uptake, you are going to get there because immunity is the only thing that gets you through the pandemic.”".

I refuse social distancing and I frankly hope others follow. I hope all calls to keep us in our homes are ignored and defied.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by sav858

Disagree and this mentality just shows how people have been reconditioned into hypochondriacs and basically want society to shut down to protect the "most vulnerable" who have always been the "most vulnerable" to every disease and virus out there.

Oh no people with no or mild symptoms are passing along a virus that also gives most people no or mild symptoms. How ever will we survive.....

You call them hypochondriacs. I call it basic consideration for your fellow human being by reducing the spread in the community. Obviously, you don't care about anyone besides yourself, so I'm not surprised at all.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

You call them hypochondriacs. I call it basic consideration for your fellow human being by reducing the spread in the community. Obviously, you don't care about anyone besides yourself, so I'm not surprised at all.

Did you have these same considerations for the flu? The flu still kills between 50,000-100,000 people each year. Thats less than Covid, but still significant and like Covid the flu can be transmitted asymptomatically.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Society is having enough trouble functioning just from reasonably healthy people being infected or exposed. There maybe never has been a virus as widespread as COVD-19 that isn't benign. For example, more cases this month in the USA than polio in the country in its worst year. The vulnerable have a lot more to fear than before.

Yeah because they are being told to stay home not because they need to.

Then the vulnerable should be taking extra precautions just as they should or were doing before. No reason for every healthy person to do the same exact thing.