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View Poll Results: How should California handle this latest surge of Covid?
Bring back the restrictions of 2020 23 20.18%
Let it rip! 91 79.82%
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Old 02-16-2022, 01:57 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Several EU countries along with South Korea require this.

Israel is the only country that I'm aware of now doing this for the 4th shot.
Israel doesn't require a 4th shot and actually looks like they are phasing out the passport system, which a lot of other countries seem to be doing too.

Vaccine passport pioneer Israel to curb use of 'green pass


Infection can still count if within 6 months in the EU. Many people have got COVID more than once.
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Old 02-16-2022, 02:04 PM
 
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Israel doesn't require a 4th shot and actually looks like they are phasing out the passport system, which a lot of other countries seem to be doing too.

Vaccine passport pioneer Israel to curb use of 'green pass


Infection can still count if within 6 months in the EU. Many people have got COVID more than once.
I said I agree that infections can count if within the 6 month window. Not sure why you're trying to dispute me on that point.
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Old 02-16-2022, 02:06 PM
 
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I said I agree that infections can count if within the 6 month window. Not sure why you're trying to dispute me on that point.
I wasn't really, just pointing out how people could still be eligible without getting a shot.
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Old 02-16-2022, 02:25 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Not opposing this, but do you agree with the expiration date as other countries are doing? You'd still need to get the jab if your infection was some time ago.
Yeah that makes sense too. (assuming I believed in vaccine passports to begin with, which I don't). Though I don't believe in vaccine passports, I wouldn't march in the street or anything against them. Since I'm jabbed, I really don't care that much.
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Old 02-16-2022, 03:06 PM
 
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What's that smell? Oh, fresh air. Hello old friend. Good to see those smiles again.
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Old 02-16-2022, 03:20 PM
 
Location: moved
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The majority of people in developed countries do not wear masks regularly. It's only a few east Asian countries that do that.
Left unmentioned here, is that some (not all!) Asian cultures have a deeply-rooted sense of community obligation, where it is considered to be dishonorable for an individual NOT to make personal sacrifices for the sake of the community at large. The contrary view, is that honor and prestige and vitality are purely individual matters. The distinction is profound, and affects all sorts of things, such as tax-policy, healthcare, public transit, architecture and urban planning, and yes, mask-wearing too.

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... Face it, you only care about yourself.
Perhaps the gentleman is thus inclined. But pray tell: does such stance make him a monster? Ought he somehow to be punished, or at least, stymied in his efforts?

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...Maybe you'd be better off buying a large lot of land in northern Idaho, where you can go without having any public health requirements. You'll be able to roam freely without coming into contact with others. But, in a crowded, large urban/suburban area, yeah, we all need to do our part.
Why so? What is this "our part"? Why not instead accept the inevitability of disease and death, and move on?

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And maybe you would enjoy a move to lawless Somalia?
I'm actually considering this. Unfortunately Somalia doesn't have a "golden visa" program. Also, Mogadishu had (yes, I checked!) a city-wide mask mandate... so, so much for that...
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Old 02-16-2022, 03:28 PM
 
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Perhaps the gentleman is thus inclined. But pray tell: does such stance make him a monster? Ought he somehow to be punished, or at least, stymied in his efforts?



Why so? What is this "our part"? Why not instead accept the inevitability of disease and death, and move on?


People who knowingly infect others with a deadly contagious disease are monsters, in my view. Not too much different than a deadly weapon.

Yes, we will all die when it is our time. But, does that give someone an excuse to shoot another person and prematurely end their life early? Of course not. I'll bet you're a strong proponent of capital punishment, so why is this any different?
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Old 02-16-2022, 03:35 PM
 
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I'm actually considering this. Unfortunately Somalia doesn't have a "golden visa" program. Also, Mogadishu had (yes, I checked!) a city-wide mask mandate... so, so much for that...
Ha! Mogadishu! You're more likely to get hit by a missile than get Covid.
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Old 02-16-2022, 03:40 PM
 
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People who knowingly infect others with a deadly contagious disease are monsters, in my view. Not too much different than a deadly weapon.

Yes, we will all die when it is our time. But, does that give someone an excuse to shoot another person and prematurely end their life early? Of course not. I'll bet you're a strong proponent of capital punishment, so why is this any different?
My response to this is the same I had when they renewed the lockdown again in early April for another "2 weeks."

What's the end goal here?

Even Australia and New Zealand couldn't keep covid out. Covid 19 was in laymans terms a pandemic strain of a coronavirus cold. Have we eliminated colds? Unlike many people I had to work and even with masks etc got my usual 3 colds a year in 2020. So the answer is no. I just had one recently too.

Masks aren't even proven to be statistically significant in many settings like schools. Are we going to wear uncomfotable things on our faces forever even if they don't work? At this point its more political virtue signaling. If you're curious compare Orange County to LA county where mask usage was totally different and see the results.

The virus isn't even that deadly by historical standards. Charging unmasked children with murder like you want doesn't seem productive.
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Old 02-16-2022, 03:40 PM
 
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People who knowingly infect others with a deadly contagious disease are monsters, in my view. Not too much different than a deadly weapon.

Yes, we will all die when it is our time. But, does that give someone an excuse to shoot another person and prematurely end their life early? Of course not. I'll bet you're a strong proponent of capital punishment, so why is this any different?
Are you suggesting I knowingly infected people or something?
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