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I thought of this, but yes, back when francophones referred to themselves as "Canadiens", this word did not include anglophones in their mind. And in any case anglophones did not yet typically identify as Canadian.
You know, maybe it's just because I'm getting old, or I've spent enough years away from Canada that it's given perspective.
Quebec feels that they are distinct, endangered and valuable. The ROC feels that they should be equal and there should be nothing special about how Quebec is treated compared to other provinces.
Thing of it is, Quebec IS a unique and special place, in a very Canadian way. So many things that make Canada Canada, or our national identity of "not the US" can be attributed to our need to find common ground between two unique societies that set squabbles aside to form the nation in the first place.
We are a nation of co-operation, not conquest, and realistically for me I can't see how everyone shouldn't be encouraging Quebec to be themselves as much as possible, and encouraging the same in other provinces, but under the big national tent. Ottawa should be a coming together. Provincial Parliament/Legislature is where you should have your regional petty gripes.
I think a generation after Meech and the Constitution we should get everyone on the same page. What Quebec REALLY wants doesn't cost anything. You can keep buying everyone off for another generation or you can solve the underlying cause. I know Canadians don't like tall poppies, but we should encourage people to show the kind of pride in their home that Quebecers have for theirs.
You know, maybe it's just because I'm getting old, or I've spent enough years away from Canada that it's given perspective.
Quebec feels that they are distinct, endangered and valuable. The ROC feels that they should be equal and there should be nothing special about how Quebec is treated compared to other provinces.
Thing of it is, Quebec IS a unique and special place, in a very Canadian way. So many things that make Canada Canada, or our national identity of "not the US" can be attributed to our need to find common ground between two unique societies that set squabbles aside to form the nation in the first place.
We are a nation of co-operation, not conquest, and realistically for me I can't see how everyone shouldn't be encouraging Quebec to be themselves as much as possible, and encouraging the same in other provinces, but under the big national tent. Ottawa should be a coming together. Provincial Parliament/Legislature is where you should have your regional petty gripes.
I think a generation after Meech and the Constitution we should get everyone on the same page. What Quebec REALLY wants doesn't cost anything. You can keep buying everyone off for another generation or you can solve the underlying cause. I know Canadians don't like tall poppies, but we should encourage people to show the kind of pride in their home that Quebecers have for theirs.
That's all well and fine... But Quebec + Canada isn't working. I live in western Canada now and 100% understand how it is easy to not worry about Quebec here. It is like a different world, and we rely on the media to get an idea of what's going on in Quebec (this can be dangerous for it's own reasons, another discussion though). In Quebec it is obvious that it isn't working.
The government and economy is FUBAR. Look at our newest premier, he is proving to be a buffoon and no, our economy won't be fixed. There is no prospect of that any time soon. Until huge changes are made, Quebec will continue to be a big mess. This is important to Canada because Quebec is holding down Canada with it. Many will say "I have no problem helping Quebec", but here'es the thing...Quebec won't reciprocate. The hard to accept truth is that the second Quebec becomes a "have" province it will declare independence. So if Quebec finds the worlds largest oil reserves in Sept-Iles, they are going to be gone, I can assure you. It is easy to live outside of Quebec and believe this may not be the case, but it is.
There aren't even any politicians in Canada that express a love for Canada like they do in other provinces. Doing so would hurt his poll numbers. Seriously. Federalists are lukewarm to Canada at best. It is all about Quebec and what's best for Quebec, on a scale that ROCanadians would be shocked to see. The language barrier helps keep ROCanadians unaware of the reality.
In Quebec it is a completely different situation than it was even 10 or 15 years ago. Quebec is drifting away from Canada, and even among staunch federaliststhere is no intention of bringing it back.
This is good info but it's not indicative of any special treatment for Quebec. It's all based on calculated formulae. If Quebec's situation changes one way or another, it will get more or less money, just like any other province.
I wasn't suggesting it was " special " treatment, but just presenting apparently actual numbers.
I wasn't suggesting it was " special " treatment, but just presenting apparently actual numbers.
Gotcha. You were responding however to someone asking for evidence of special (financial) treatment for Quebec just because it's Quebec. It could be that there isn't much out there... I dunno.
Talk about brainwashed. Why not take England and France and stick them together, and then when they still see each other as different complain about people having an us vs. them mentality. It's just a fact that you have more in common with a person in Hawaii or Florida than Quebec. The most naive Canadians are the ones who know nothing about Quebec and stay happily separated from them in every facet of life except for seeing French on packaging.
Oh lord Mister Quebec expert here
Anyway i'd rather be brainwashed than living back in 1759.... You the reincarnation of General Wolfe or since you're a so called expert in matters of Quebec Montcalm?
Anyway i'd rather be brainwashed than living back in 1759.... You the reincarnation of General Wolfe or since you're a so called expert in matters of Quebec Montcalm?
Gotcha. You were responding however to someone asking for evidence of special (financial) treatment for Quebec just because it's Quebec. It could be that there isn't much out there... I dunno.
Again, I'm no expert, but I suspect that it's more complicated than just looking at transfer payments.
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