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Old 07-29-2022, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Has anyone on here referred to a trans person as an "it"? I certainly haven't.

Actually nvm. I had a few beers when I typed that and misread someone's post.

False alarm. I wasn't referring to you btw

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I am just not sure that glorifying this specific "condition" they have is really the best way to help them. Especially not if it comes at the expense of diminishing and trafficking the identity of majority of the population - a huge chunk of which is already an often marginalized and vulnerable group (women).
Well I see two separate matters here though. The way a group or segment of society handles the topic the first. There are a lot on the far left who are not using just this issue, but many others and doing it in an aggressive way that ruffles feathers. The whole J.K Rowling thing for example, whether one agrees with her or not, she is entitled to her views and shouldn't be summarily 'cancelled' - that I think has gone too far and its not just LGBTQ etc etc etc that this is happening too. So the 'far' left if you will is having a polarizing impact sort of how the far right has had with the left. We are kind of moving too far away from the centre on either side and i'm afraid this is impacting our ability to make progress on matters actually and driving a bigger wedge between right and left which is never a good thing. So I get you here.

The other matter and the one i'm actually more interested in is - is this condition something strongly innate from a biological perspective. As a result of this it then crosses over to the psychological. I suspect, based on my own research, my own experience with trans that I detailed earlier makes me come to the conclusion that there is more going on here, than just environmental triggers.

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Old 07-29-2022, 05:17 PM
 
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Live and let live. Don't go around hurting people's hearts. Who am I to judge?
"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"! I'm not a fan of the parades but it is none of my business and if I don't want to watch it, then I don't go.
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Old 07-29-2022, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Live and let live. Don't go around hurting people's hearts. Who am I to judge?
"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"! I'm not a fan of the parades but it is none of my business and if I don't want to watch it, then I don't go.
Hey Kitty

There are a lot of oddities with straight people so I don't judge either

But I respect your views and concur. If you don't like a gay parade 'don't' go. I mean gay Pride celebrations in Toronto are technically a month in June, but there is only a week where events go on and one day for the main parade. I'm sure the individuals who are all bothered by it can just skip the area that weekend

Heck i went to visit a friend in High Park area the weekend of Indy 500 and it was a pain - no big deal I had to deal with a bit of inconvenience and park a little away and take some alternate routes.
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Old 07-29-2022, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I've been following this thread and still haven't made up my mind yet about whether or not I want to discuss what makes me uncomfortable about the LGBTQ+ community. I think I'll wait a bit and see how I feel about that later. But since you started this thread I guess this is as a good a time and place as any to ask a question that you may know the answer to.

My question is: are Drag Queens considered members of the LGBTQ+ community?

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For sure and I opened this thread to discuss the issue - not to judge posters in here. Regardless of views I think it is great to have a discussion. Its not a topic that comes up very much in the Canada section. I CERTAINLY didn't want to do it in Politics and other controversies as I wanted to keep the discussion civil and mainly among Canadians. The fact individuals are posting and engaging - I respect and appreciate that. So thanks to everyone participating regardless where you stand.

Share or not share Zoisite it is up to you and when you are comfortable

I'd say the vast majority of Drag Queens would be gay men dressing up as Females. They aren't trans although some do transition - they are simply men dressing up usually to do some performance gig. Ru Paul' Drag race sort of thing. Lip sync for your life - sashay away lol.. Watch an episode if you're comfortable with the idea - give you a sort of idea but the vast majority of drag queens are gay men who identify as a man just dressing up and hamming it up.

That all said, I imagine there may be some straight men who do drag - I wouldn't necessarily consider them a member of LGBTQ but certainly they would likely be an ally. If I was his wife though, i'd be asking some questions.

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Old 07-29-2022, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I thought this thread was surprisingly civil. I wasn't sure I wanted to join in at first. And I thought it was brave of fusion to start it.
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Old 07-29-2022, 06:22 PM
 
Location: B.C., Canada
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I thought this thread was surprisingly civil. I wasn't sure I wanted to join in at first. And I thought it was brave of fusion to start it.
I agree with that.

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Old 07-29-2022, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I don’t think I gone to a parade since I was a kid. It’s just not my thing.

However, I am rather baffled by the talk of parade raunchiness in this thread. What are those people trying to communicate to those watching, particularly to children who might be around? Is the behavior a form of exhibitionalism?

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Exhibitionism is a form of paraphilia. Exhibitionists (usually males) expose their genitals, usually to unsuspecting strangers, and become sexually excited when doing so. They may be aware of their need to surprise, shock, or impress the unwilling observer.
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For some people, exhibitionism is expressed as a strong desire to have other people watch their sexual acts. Such people want to be seen by a consenting audience, rather than to surprise people. People with this form of exhibitionism may make pornographic films or become adult entertainers.
https://www.merckmanuals.com/en-ca/h.../exhibitionism
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Old 07-29-2022, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I don’t think I gone to a parade since I was a kid. It’s just not my thing.

However, I am rather baffled by the talk of parade raunchiness in this thread. What are those people trying to communicate to those watching, particularly to children who might be around? Is the behavior a form of exhibitionalism?





https://www.merckmanuals.com/en-ca/h.../exhibitionism

See my post #33
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Old 07-29-2022, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I've been following this thread and still haven't made up my mind yet about whether or not I want to discuss what makes me uncomfortable about the LGBTQ+ community. I think I'll wait a bit and see how I feel about that later. But since you started this thread I guess this is as a good a time and place as any to ask a question that you may know the answer to.

My question is: are Drag Queens considered members of the LGBTQ+ community?

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They are, not to be confused with men who like to wear women's clothing, who apparently a lot are straight.

Drag Queens or Show Queens are just that. The vast majority dress up only to do shows. They create a "drag persona" but live their lives as men.

I'm sure there must be a trans or two who do their show drag, and then live life less showy as a women during the day.

Here in Vancouver the shows they do is mostly to raise money for charity. Some do corporate gigs and private birthday parties etc to earn money for themselves on top of their day jobs.

They are mostly gay, but theatre has a history of straight men doing drag. The closet straight male doing what is closer to show drag is Barry Humphries as Dame Edna. He isn't part of the LGBTQ+ community, but the character is loved by many and had a huge gay following. Today, younger ones probably don't know who he is.
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Old 07-29-2022, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Canada
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See my post #33
Your post does answer my question: Why do they do it? In the context of the purpose of the parade, what message are they trying to communicate to their public audience? That they are vulgar?
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