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There is no "camp." Your argument is a non-starter. Again, you're falling back on cheap debate tricks. Are you seriously going to equate me thinking a talk radio host could have pulled a cheap trick to create buzz (as he has here) with believing a national tragedy was a conspiracy? Another GIANT leap. If you have something of substance to say, I'll respond.
Like I said, if you had any understanding as to what truth is, and if you listened to Jeff Katz, then you would know that he would pull no trick like that. And no I don't think it was off the wall to mention the 911 conspiracy. It's just as equally ridiculous.
Really Palmetto? You're actually attempting to legitimize this guy? Or are you really just playing devil's advocate? Seems to me you're buying into his vile disregard for our nation's heroes. I had more respect for you than that.
The guy who wrote the letter was a jerk but there's a grain of truth in each of this jerk's arguments. I respect the public service of the men and women of our armed forces. I'd put that on par with the respect that I have for the public service of police and fire fighters. One last thing, I think that we've bandied about the term "hero" to the point where it is almost meaningless. It should be reserved for people who do truly extraordinary things, medal of honor winners for example.
The guy who wrote the letter was a jerk but there's a grain of truth in each of this jerk's arguments.
Strictly opinion, as is all of the arguments put forth by all of you on the other side of this issue. It's the left in this country that whines about freedom of speech and diversity of opinion, but they fail to add the clause "as long as I agree with it." It is nothing more than double standards, period. We all have our own opinions. A weak argument is to state someone is "brainwashed" because they disagree with you.
Yeah...the oil sure is flowing now that we are at war. I don't like to call names so I won't call the guy an idiot.
Oh, and the glory of war...going off for a year at a time, away from family and often in conditions that are uncomfortable at best....all that self interest is just sickening.
Yup, that's why my brother and sister went...glory hogs and they didn't have anything better to do than hang out in Iraq getting shot at for a year. Jake needs to get a clue.
That's ok; I'll do it for you. THE GUY'S AN IDIOT!
Just to play devil's advocate I took the guy's letter line-by-line and thought about what he was really trying to say.
I have to admit that the praise that some people heap on members of the armed forces gets a little bit old especially when the same people condem the wars that they're fighting.
It's hard to argue against that.
Some people join out of a sense of duty but it is certainly possible that a good number of people in the armed forces are there because they do not have better opportunities in the private sector.
Good point. It is volunteer army. If they got in or voluntarily stayed in knowing that there were ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq then they knew what they were getting into.
There's no doubt that a lot of troops joined up out of self interest whether it was the chance for glory on the battlefield or going to college on the GI bill.
Our soldiers, sailors, and airmen stand ready to protect us, and for that I'm grateful, but it in these wars they aren't really protecting the US.
The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq aren't like WWII or Vietnam in that a very small percentage of the US population has made any real sacrifice for the war. The yellow ribbons do seem like a hollow gesture.
It's hard to argue that the quagmires in Afghanistan and Iraq have accomplished anything other than running up our national debt and creating new enemies for the US abroad.
Are you really trying to justify this by picking out words and phrases to suit your interest? You didn't take it line by line, you highlighted words.
I won't get into to this too much, but I think you need to check a few things. First, it's a volunteer army, but once you are in, you don't have a choice about where you go and there really isn't getting out of it. You don't sign up for 6 months, most of the time you are in for 4 to 6 years. Second don't EVER claim the men and women of our armed forces are losers, some may not have the same upbringing or financial status but they are serving their country. Yellow ribbons hollow? So one death is hollow? Ribbons or not lets not claim that not enough people are sacraficing themselves to have value.
As for this letter and Jeff Katz, I don't listen to him, but there is no value to post this other to start controversy.. oh lookie it worked even on this board. And talk show hosts don't speak the truth they speak their version of it, whether liberal, conservative or Entertainment Tonight.
Yellow ribbons hollow? So one death is hollow? Ribbons or not lets not claim that not enough people are sacraficing themselves to have value.
I think the people who slap yellow ribbons on their bumpers, then go on making no sacrifices and think they are patriots because of it -- their gestures are hollow. But I do believe some people use those symbols with reverence.
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As for this letter and Jeff Katz, I don't listen to him, but there is no value to post this other to start controversy.. oh lookie it worked even on this board. And talk show hosts don't speak the truth they speak their version of it, whether liberal, conservative or Entertainment Tonight.
I dont want anyone crying about personal attacks, so I will say that anyone who has never served their country probably isnt the best barometer of who is and isnt a hero. Actually, that elitist kind of thinking reminds me very much of John Kerry and his stupid joke about people who don't finish college being sent to Iraq. If your idea of personal sacrifice is having to drive the BMW while the Mercedes is being serviced, your opinion doesnt mean squat to me.
It's hard to argue that the quagmires in Afghanistan and Iraq have accomplished anything other than running up our national debt and creating new enemies for the US abroad.
On the contrary, it's quite EASY to argue that they have accomplished the task of fighting terrorists on their land instead of ours. There has not been another domestic attack since 2001.
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I don't like to call names so I won't call the guy an idiot. 
