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Old 07-23-2008, 07:43 PM
 
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On the contrary, it's quite EASY to argue that they have accomplished the task of fighting terrorists on their land instead of ours. There has not been another domestic attack since 2001.
And there wasn't one between 1993 and 2001. So, we've gone seven years without one. that doesn't prove that what we're doing overseas is working. THough I would tend to believe Afghanistan was where our focus should have been the whole time and Iraq was a waste.

 
Old 07-23-2008, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Mooresville, NC
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.....that elitist kind of thinking....
That's what makes up most of the liberal movement in this country. Also, the idea that one can judge people so easily by the way they show support for the troops, the president, etc. It boggles the mind how these pseudo-intellectuals are so enlightened and deep-thinking about issues. They are, of course, so superior to us who are brainwashed by radio commentators. Some people are so out of touch with reality it's funny.
 
Old 07-23-2008, 07:49 PM
 
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On the contrary, it's quite EASY to argue that they have accomplished the task of fighting terrorists on their land instead of ours. There has not been another domestic attack since 2001.
What scares me, is that there are still "cells" of the same type of fanactics responsible for 9-11 throughout the country. While their command and control is certainly disrupted, they still have the ability to inflict serious casualties. Of course, we can put all of the terrorists we want in GITMO, and some pinhead will cry about their rights.
 
Old 07-23-2008, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Cornelius
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Are you really trying to justify this by picking out words and phrases to suit your interest? You didn't take it line by line, you highlighted words.

I won't get into to this too much, but I think you need to check a few things. First, it's a volunteer army, but once you are in, you don't have a choice about where you go and there really isn't getting out of it. You don't sign up for 6 months, most of the time you are in for 4 to 6 years. Second don't EVER claim the men and women of our armed forces are losers, some may not have the same upbringing or financial status but they are serving their country. Yellow ribbons hollow? So one death is hollow? Ribbons or not lets not claim that not enough people are sacraficing themselves to have value.

As for this letter and Jeff Katz, I don't listen to him, but there is no value to post this other to start controversy.. oh lookie it worked even on this board. And talk show hosts don't speak the truth they speak their version of it, whether liberal, conservative or Entertainment Tonight.
I'm glad you stepped to thwart any criticism of our troops, Whytewulf, but I can assure you there was no intention to start a controversy by posting this thread. Quite frankly, I'm saddened that we have veered away from the focus of such vitriol of our troops because some would like to dismiss the material as a ratings ploy.

I would also like to point out that you are not able to make a sound judgment on this particular host as you yourself admit you have not listened to him. So painting all talk show hosts with the same brush is futile.
 
Old 07-23-2008, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Cornelius
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That's what makes up most of the liberal movement in this country. Also, the idea that one can judge people so easily by the way they show support for the troops, the president, etc. It boggles the mind how these pseudo-intellectuals are so enlightened and deep-thinking about issues. They are, of course, so superior to us who are brainwashed by radio commentators. Some people are so out of touch with reality it's funny.
Just say the word "Bush" and watch 'em melt. lol.....and just for the record before I'm labeled a Bush worshiper, I voted for him twice but wouldn't vote for him a 3rd time if it were possible.
 
Old 07-23-2008, 08:02 PM
 
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That's what makes up most of the liberal movement in this country. Also, the idea that one can judge people so easily by the way they show support for the troops, the president, etc. It boggles the mind how these pseudo-intellectuals are so enlightened and deep-thinking about issues. They are, of course, so superior to us who are brainwashed by radio commentators. Some people are so out of touch with reality it's funny.
Yes, I like how you use sweeping generalizations to complain about people making sweeping generalizations. Brilliant!
 
Old 07-23-2008, 08:18 PM
 
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Yes, I like how you use sweeping generalizations to complain about people making sweeping generalizations. Brilliant!
Uh, the liberal movement is exactly how he described. So there are no generalizations at all. It's an ideology and those that share it are all in the same boat. The leaders of the movement push for European socialism and ultimately communism, so where's the confusion?
 
Old 07-23-2008, 08:20 PM
 
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Are you really trying to justify this by picking out words and phrases to suit your interest? You didn't take it line by line, you highlighted words.

I won't get into to this too much, but I think you need to check a few things. First, it's a volunteer army, but once you are in, you don't have a choice about where you go and there really isn't getting out of it. You don't sign up for 6 months, most of the time you are in for 4 to 6 years. Second don't EVER claim the men and women of our armed forces are losers, some may not have the same upbringing or financial status but they are serving their country. Yellow ribbons hollow? So one death is hollow? Ribbons or not lets not claim that not enough people are sacraficing themselves to have value.

As for this letter and Jeff Katz, I don't listen to him, but there is no value to post this other to start controversy.. oh lookie it worked even on this board. And talk show hosts don't speak the truth they speak their version of it, whether liberal, conservative or Entertainment Tonight.
A) Knee jerk reactions me laugh. People read what they want to read and hear what they want to hear. It's truly pathetic.

B) I'm not defending the guy, "Jake", who wrote the letter.

C) I'm well aware that people sign up for 4+ years and with stop gap measures many will serve considerably longer. I clearly stated that if a person signed up or voluntarily re-enlisted while the Afghanistan or Iraq wars were ongoing then he knew what he was getting into. I'll even take it a step further and say that if a person signed up or voluntarily re-enlisted during this time period then he necessarily supports the wars. Otherwise, why join?

D) There are over 2.5 million people in the US armed forces. The great majority are fine, upstanding people but I can assure you with 100% certainty that a sizable number of them are losers. That's a fact.
 
Old 07-23-2008, 08:23 PM
 
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Uh, the liberal movement is exactly how he described. So there are no generalizations at all. It's an ideology and those that share it are all in the same boat. The leaders of the movement push for European socialism and ultimately communism, so where's the confusion?
Please, tell us more about this "liberal movement." Is it anything like the
vast right-wing conspiracy? LOL.

Come on people, do any of you really believe that folks on ends of the political spectrum could be so well organized?

BTW I'm voting for McCain.
 
Old 07-23-2008, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Mooresville, NC
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Yes, I like how you use sweeping generalizations to complain about people making sweeping generalizations. Brilliant!
Just to help you out; I did use the word "most" in that post. Here ya go:
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From Websters -

Most: Consisting of the greatest number or quantity; greater in number or quantity than all the rest; nearly all.
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BTW, where was the "complaining" in that post? I'm pretty sure it was opinion.
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