What's up with people in Chicago (Washington, Chatham: renting, high crime, house)

[mjtinmemphis]

Originally Posted by rparz

It's not a racial problem, it's an a**** problem. I'm a white guy and have gotten into 'alteractions' with the LP/LV 'Chad' types.
Don't think because you're skin is a different color you get special treatment.

I've been in those situations as well. Lol.

It goes much deeper than a drunk idiot wanting to fight. I'm writing about a culture that has been established by the people. It has been promoted by redlining and segregation that should have never been embraced in a city like Chicago.

Like Ive written on many other occasions over all, Chicagoans have been great. It's a marvelous city with something for everyone. But the segregation has become more than annoying since living in LV.

[rparz]

Originally Posted by mjtinmemphis

I've had the n-word directed towards me twice. First time I was leaving a club on halsted and a drag queen called me that. Second time was a block from the Paulina brown line stop on Lincoln. This along with observing how people fear me while walking to the store or on my morning jog. I spoke with many other Black men who have encountered the same thing in the same area. It's a sad statement to make about a community but it all comes from people not being exposed to each other. Many White people in the area have very little social interaction with Blacks and that leads to fear. There is a culture of racism in lake view that most Black men can't deny.

I don't see the benefit of segregation.

You think it's the native people of this city, or the fresh transplants from some one stoplight podunk town with cows in pastures that are this clueless to black people?

And look where you're talking about...where everyone fresh out of Iowa comes to move into Chicago. I don't know why anyone (who knows better) would willingly hang out there in the first place.
Before anyone thinks I'm hating on Lakeview because I'm jealous, I love that area. (transportation, proximity to lake, etc) Get rid of trixies and chads and I'd probably move there. Until then -- no thanks.

[MaryMary2012]

Originally Posted by mjtinmemphis

I've had the n-word directed towards me twice. First time I was leaving a club on halsted and a drag queen called me that. Second time was a block from the Paulina brown line stop on Lincoln. This along with observing how people fear me while walking to the store or on my morning jog. I spoke with many other Black men who have encountered the same thing in the same area. It's a sad statement to make about a community but it all comes from people not being exposed to each other. Many White people in the area have very little social interaction with Blacks and that leads to fear. There is a culture of racism in lake view that most Black men can't deny.

I don't see the benefit of segregation.

Many of the whites whom you've encountered, fear that you will rob and/or kill them; therefore, they are uninterested in socializing w/you. To a degree, the fear may be warranted, because in truth, much of the violent criminal activity throughout the city is committed by black males.

This is why I believe there's an urgent need for black professional males (in particular) to work together to invest in the crime-ridden black areas. Why not establish the type of amenities/social venues that rival the northside? I understand that it will be challenging, but in the long-run, it will reap a host of economic and social benefits for all parties involved.

If you have no desire to invest in the poverty-stricken areas, simply move to an established location that already has a number of black professionals, like Hyde Park. In another 10 years or so, most low income/middle class people (of all races) will not even be able to afford to reside in any of the major cities. Therefore, it's a good idea, while the property values are so low (especially in Chicago) to start purchasing those historic old homes now.

[MaryMary2012]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Yeah that's true..the thing is though, that it's rather weird to just assume a white person's family was responsible for all the heinous things committed. There were many poor white, european immigrants who came here even in the middle 19th century who had nothing to do with any of that. I can understand the distrust, but I think it's a little weird to assume that someone's family or ancestors were involved in these heinous acts just because of the color of their skin. That would be like someone assuming anybody who's from Germany's grandparents were Nazis, which is not true either.

I'm sure you are fully aware that there are serious rifts between Arabs & Jews, due to religious, historical and present day elements. Surely, there are well intentioned people on both sides, but, most do not trust the other group and have no desire to live side by side, or socialize w/ each other.

[mjtinmemphis]

Originally Posted by MaryMary2012

Many of the whites whom you've encountered, fear that you will rob and/or kill them; therefore, they are uninterested in socializing w/you. To a degree, the fear may be warranted, because in truth, much of the violent criminal activity throughout the city is committed by black males.

This is why I believe there's an urgent need for black professional males (in particular) to work together to invest in the crime-ridden black areas. Why not establish the type of amenities/social venues that rival the northside? I understand that it will be challenging, but in the long-run, it will reap a host of economic and social benefits for all parties involved.

If you have no desire to invest in the poverty-stricken areas, simply move to an established location that already has a number of black professionals, like Hyde Park. In another 10 years or so, most low income/middle class people (of all races) will not even be able to afford to reside in any of the major cities. Therefore, it's a good idea, while the property values are so low (especially in Chicago) to start purchasing those historic old homes now.

That is a great idea. I have been thinking the same thing. And yes I lived in hydepark for 3 years before moving to lake view. I loved the diversity and the overall networking opportunities that came with that area.

[mjtinmemphis]

Originally Posted by rparz

You think it's the native people of this city, or the fresh transplants from some one stoplight podunk town with cows in pastures that are this clueless to black people?

And look where you're talking about...where everyone fresh out of Iowa comes to move into Chicago. I don't know why anyone (who knows better) would willingly hang out there in the first place.
Before anyone thinks I'm hating on Lakeview because I'm jealous, I love that area. (transportation, proximity to lake, etc) Get rid of trixies and chads and I'd probably move there. Until then -- no thanks.

I think it's the transplants. There are very few natives in my area.

The attitudes of the people turn a lot of people off to that area.

How could anyone be jealous of an area? That's silly to me. I guess I've moved around too much to have that type of connection to a neighborhood.

When I first moved here, I use to wonder why the Black professional gays of hydepark and south loop would have nothing to do with boystown. I see why now. Same idea you have.

[MaryMary2012]

Originally Posted by mjtinmemphis

That is a great idea. I have been thinking the same thing. And yes I lived in hydepark for 3 years before moving to lake view. I loved the diversity and the overall networking opportunities that came with that area.

I'm just curious why you decided to move to the northside? There had to be a reason. Anyhow, I along with my husband have already invested in several low income areas in NYC, L.A., D.C. and Chicago. To cash in, you have to be forward thinking.

The below article about DC, actually shows what's in store for all inner city areas in a decade or so...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/op....html?src=recg

[mjtinmemphis]

Originally Posted by MaryMary2012

I'm just curious why you decided to move to the northside? There had to be a reason. Anyhow, I along with my husband have already invested in several low income areas in NYC, L.A., D.C. and Chicago. To cash in, you have to be forward thinking.

Without going into too much detail, It was a business decision. I've been looking at doing the same thing in St. Louis as well as Chicago. So much hidden opportunity.

[mjtinmemphis]

Originally Posted by MaryMary2012

I'm just curious why you decided to move to the northside? There had to be a reason. Anyhow, I along with my husband have already invested in several low income areas in NYC, L.A., D.C. and Chicago. To cash in, you have to be forward thinking.

The below article about DC, actually shows what's in store for all inner city areas in a decade or so...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/op....html?src=recg

Awesome article! Thanks for sharing.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by mjtinmemphis

I've had the n-word directed towards me twice. First time I was leaving a club on halsted and a drag queen called me that. Second time was a block from the Paulina brown line stop on Lincoln. This along with observing how people fear me while walking to the store or on my morning jog. I spoke with many other Black men who have encountered the same thing in the same area. It's a sad statement to make about a community but it all comes from people not being exposed to each other. Many White people in the area have very little social interaction with Blacks and that leads to fear. There is a culture of racism in lake view that most Black men can't deny.

I don't see the benefit of segregation.

First off, I wouldn't listen too much to what drag queens say. I know a few and they will say anything confrontational for attention. That could have happened in any part of any city with a drag queen. Unfortunately, that is how some are. TRUST ME on this one. The other time, yeah unfortunate, but again ....i used to spend a lot of time in lv and would see the opposite honestly even with my black friends. It.it's really unfortunate to hear this has been happeNing

There was a neo nazi rally in skokie in the 70s. Do you really think thats what the place has ever been about. I would be very careful about labeling a place as such based on a few actions ESPECIALLY when some things involve nightlife. People go to LV from all over, some of who are from college and grew up in small towns. I wouldn't doubt that is who does things like this. Transplants from either small town america or ignorant folk.