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Should we listen to what Christian's say of the covenant, or should we take hold of God' covenant the way he requires?
It IS Salvation for all the nation Only IF they take hold of the covenant themselves, Christian's willingly reject the covenant
Isaiah 56
1Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
3Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
8The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
Jeremiah 31: 31; The LORD says, “The time is coming when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. It will not be like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and led them out of Egypt. Although I was like a husband to them, they did not keep that covenant. 33The new covenant that I will make with the people of Israel will be this: I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
We live by the law that is written on our hearts, not the black and white written letter of the old law that you cling to. We live by the law of Love, 'love of God nd our fellow man which is the law by which eternal life is inherited.
But you continue to follow the old covenant which can only bring death, while we continue live by the law of love.
Jeremiah 31: 31; The LORD says, “The time is coming when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. It will not be like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and led them out of Egypt. Although I was like a husband to them, they did not keep that covenant. 33The new covenant that I will make with the people of Israel will be this: I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
We live by the law that is written on our hearts, not the black and white written letter of the old law that you cling to. We live by the law of Love, 'love of God nd our fellow man which is the law by which eternal life is inherited.
But you continue to follow the old covenant which can only bring death, while we continue live by the law of love.
The religions are equal.... brothers
We (as in humanity) are not to cross the boundaries and teach other what their religions mean, however we are to endeavour to understand each other’s differences and also to co-operate for benefit of each of the societies under the various political and religious leaders
Its not really like it means anything anyway, God is all mercfull. Only difference is, there were very rare individuals who were born who reacged the kingdom, I dont pretend that I have reached it, but the very few have.
Then there is the rest of us, and I am prettty sure that if takes 100 lifetimes, we will all come to that place in our time, but whatever all us regular Christians will be, it is a thousand times better than now.?
We (as in humanity) are not to cross the boundaries and teach other what their religions mean, however we are to endeavour to understand each other’s differences and also to co-operate for benefit of each of the societies under the various political and religious leaders
Nope! Paul taught that no convert to Christ was ever to revert to obeying the old law given through Moses. Any Christian who obeys one those laws such as the circumcision, becomes once again Prisoners to that Law.
Were any of the apostles told by Jesus, to go out and preach, that the old covenant given through Moses, should be obeyed?
Do you believe The words spoken through Jesus?
Galatians 5: 2; Listen! I, Paul, tell you that if you allow yourselves to be circumcised, it means that Christ is of no use to you at all. Once more I warn any man who allows himself to be circumcised that he is obliged to obey the whole Law. Those of you who try to be put right with God by obeying the Law have cut yourselves off from Christ. You are outside God's grace.
Good luck to Hannibal, who thinks that only those who obey the law are saved..
The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." [2]
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So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
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All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." [3]
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Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." [4]
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Well, a couple of things. The 7th-day was blessed and sanctified at Creation. Wasn't this some 500 years before the first Jew appeared on the scene? The Jews became God's chosen people and the Gentiles were nowhere in the picture so it's pretty obvious why the Sabbath would have gone to them. It also seems likely that the Gentiles would later inherit the Sabbath once they became grafted into the Jewish faith.
Another thing, the very bandied about, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" more than implies that the Sabbath WAS made for man, otherwise would Jesus not have said, "The Sabbath was made for the Jew and not the Jew for the Sabbath" . . .?
You will also notice, Richard, that Christians installed their own 'sabbath' ...that being Sunday. So, clearly they feel the need of 'a sabbath'. So, why not the one that was blessed and sanctified at Creation?
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Originally Posted by The Anointed
Assuming that you are one of those nieve people, who believe that each creative day, was a 24 hour earth day, even though the minor sun within our solar system, wasn't created until the fourth creative day, which minor sun determines the length of a day on earth, do you believe that God who said let there be light: Did so on Sunday morning, and if not, on which day of the 7 day creative week did God first bring light out of the darkness of the expanding space, three creative days before the creation of our solar system?
Well, you lost me with the last few lines, but, to answer the first part ...I CAN read the words contained in the Bible. We're told that the evening and the morning were the first day, the evening and the morning were the second day, the evening and the morning were ...and so on. The evening and the morning are two 12-hour periods and it's here that a 24-hour day is established by the author. Are you honestly not aware of this? And you call me naïve? ... see how it's spelled? As for the sun not being created until the 4th-day ...you'll have to take that up with the author. Then again, maybe none of it is true and so we're wasting our time discussing this entire topic.
The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." [2]
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So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
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All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." [3]
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Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." [4]
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'All who rely on observing the law are under a curse' followed by 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law'? Contradiction much?
You say that the righteous will live by faith but we're also told by our buddy, Paul, that 'faith without works is dead'. James 2:14-26. So, which is it ...faith alone or faith that results in (good) works?
Question: How many professed Christians actually know what they're talking about?
'All who rely on observing the law are under a curse' followed by 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law'? Contradiction much?
You say that the righteous will live by faith but we're also told by our buddy, Paul, that 'faith without works is dead'. James 2:14-26. So, which is it ...faith alone or faith that results in (good) works?
Question: How many professed Christians actually know what they're talking about?
And the works James is referring to, is to feed the hungry, cloth the naked, and give shelter to the homeless, in other words, love your neighbor as yourself.
Its not really like it means anything anyway, God is all mercfull. Only difference is, there were very rare individuals who were born who reacged the kingdom, I dont pretend that I have reached it, but the very few have.
Then there is the rest of us, and I am prettty sure that if takes 100 lifetimes, we will all come to that place in our time, but whatever all us regular Christians will be, it is a thousand times better than now.?
We are not to worship the signs basically
The 7th day is a sign
The 8th day is what Christianity has taken to memorialise in their “body” of writings, sacraments
I believe that is what is meant by Paul in saying here
Rom 14:4 Who are you judging another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. But he will stand, for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One indeed judges a day above another day; and another one judges every day alike. Let each one be fully assured in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 The one minding the day, he minds it to the Lord. And the one not minding the day, he does not mind it to the Lord. The one eating, he eats to the Lord; for he gives thanks to God. And the one not eating, he does not eat to the Lord, and gives thanks to God.
Rom 14:7 For no one of us lives to himself and no one dies to himself.
Rom 14:8 For both if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Then both if we live, and if we die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For this Christ both died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord over both the dead and the living.
Rom 14:10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why also do you despise your brother? For all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it has been written, "As I live, says the Lord, that every knee will bow to Me, and every tongue confess to God." Isa. 45:23
'All who rely on observing the law are under a curse' followed by 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law'? Contradiction much?
You say that the righteous will live by faith but we're also told by our buddy, Paul, that 'faith without works is dead'. James 2:14-26. So, which is it ...faith alone or faith that results in (good) works?
Question: How many professed Christians actually know what they're talking about?
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Originally Posted by The Anointed
And the works James is referring to, is to feed the hungry, cloth the naked, and give shelter to the homeless, in other words, love your neighbor as yourself.
That’s right anointed, there are “works” that are religious in nature that do not come from a spiritual place, and while they have their time and place to gather together people in one place under a bond of unity, If you just perform those actions of reading verses, singing songs, taking communion but do not assimilate the spiritual at the same time those “works” are useless because the essence or purpose of faith is about who the faith is in not in the physical gathering together of those people
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