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Old 09-03-2010, 07:40 PM
 
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[quote=eloyfan;15745591]Scripture is man-made. That aside, ancient (beginning of life) cells did not have nuclei, did not contain DNA, were not complex, were not at that time capable of evolving into aything more than single cell. That all took time, chance, failures, and adaptation. So, of course today's bacteria is a dynamo, fabulous and intriguing and such. But....over billions of years that is what one would expect. Evolution does this sort of thing.

Humans evolved from bacteria. Two thousand year old book written by man vs. 4 billion years of stuff undergoing change and advancement. The creator of life was the exciting laboratory we call Planet Earth.

I don't expect you to subscribe to any of this, I bet you won't. But, like many others who toss around scripture as fact, it would behoove your arguments to brush up on the basic TENETS of evolution, so you sound informed. Evolution is factual and it is all there to look up and learn. And it's evolving every day, unlike religion, which is so arrogant that it can't be "evolved". [/QUOTE

Are humans still evolving? If so, why haven't we started to lose fingers, and toes that we don't necessarily need anymore? With the technology rapidly developing, why aren't babies born today with longer/thinner fingers for texting etc...lol?
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Old 09-03-2010, 07:46 PM
 
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Are humans still evolving? If so, why haven't we started to lose fingers, and toes that we don't necessarily need anymore? With the technology rapidly developing, why aren't babies born today with longer/thinner fingers for texting etc...lol?


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Old 09-03-2010, 08:01 PM
 
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Because evolution is a series of small steps, not just giant leaps because of advances in technology. This isn't the X-Men.
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Old 09-03-2010, 09:09 PM
 
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Are humans still evolving? If so, why haven't we started to lose fingers, and toes that we don't necessarily need anymore? With the technology rapidly developing, why aren't babies born today with longer/thinner fingers for texting etc...lol?
I don't understand the point of posting a question that lacks any kind of earnesty.
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Old 09-03-2010, 10:05 PM
 
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The laws of physics and gravity, before the Big Bang, at least science confidently acknowledges that it just does not know. Nobody knows. And science admits it. The religious go one step further and attribute it to a supernatural being who, in turn, had to be created, no? And who created the creator? Religious zealots steadfastly proclaim that they KNOW! God did not have to be created, because he is god!

Science uses the word "theory" as an explanation. The Big Bang was likely the result of a gravitational gathering of every particle in the universe which heated up to the point of exploding into the Big Bang, perhaps for the first time, perhaps for the billionth time.

There are billions of stars in billions of galaxies. Life forms alien to us, and more advanced, could and probably do exist. They have advanced further and faster. Can't be proven, and can't be dismissed.

As far as "order" goes, the universe and our galaxy, even, are full of disordered chaos. As over 99% of all life forms on this planet have gone extinct (with no help from man) how do you explain god's success rate there? Not too brilliant. How do you explain the vastness of a universe that we cannot ever enjoy or admire, because we cannot see it, as in did god build us a wonderful universe we cannot see, or explore, or explain? What a wasteful god.

The religious like to explain away what science can and cannot explain through careful examination and reason. They like to explain it using ancient belief systems invented by middle eastern illiterate peasants' legends, myths and fables (and a whole lot of fear) that predate science, reason and fact.

I leave the entire faithful religious world to believe what they wish, but Stephen Hawking has infinitely more knowledge, experience, and brain-power than anyone I can name, all in one sad physical shell. He has answers you should at least be open-minded enough to explore. But, I am convinced that it is a paradox to be religious and to be open-minded at the same time.
Sounds to me as if you idolize the man, Steven Hawking

Perhaps he is more brilliant that G_D?
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:49 PM
 
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Here's my response to the other thread in Religion and Philosophy on the EXACT SAME topic>>>>>
https://www.city-data.com/forum/15752243-post73.html
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Seward, Alaska
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"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes

I am not impressed with Hawking or his alleged "high IQ". He says the Universe, which at the time did not exist, just simply created itself? Something that was not alive or existent just decided one day, on a whim, to create itself?
He must be smoking some powerful stuff....

Bud
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:39 AM
 
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I am not impressed with Hawking or his alleged "high IQ". He says the Universe, which at the time did not exist, just simply created itself? Something that was not alive or existent just decided one day, on a whim, to create itself?
He must be smoking some powerful stuff....

Bud
Amazing how many Christians suddenly think they are smarter than Steven Hawking.
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:50 AM
 
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Despite all evidence that points to the contrary, it cannot be disproved that God made it possible for the universe to create itself. Therefore the only safe assumption for now is agnosticism.

For those of you who think that DNA is such a complex piece of machinery - it really isn't. It's code is highly redundant, with its inefficiencies belying some sort of underlying random process, the purpose of which is to safeguard its own integrity. It is definitely not the type of design an engineer would choose. Whether God made it possible, or whether it is a consequence of stochastic events... nobody can tell.

Aliens - why not? Why think we are special to God? Silly Bible.

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Old 09-04-2010, 01:27 AM
 
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Because evolution is a series of small steps, not just giant leaps because of advances in technology. This isn't the X-Men.
well,it ain't the 3 stooges either
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