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You beleive comments of little elmer in the internet, and I will beleive the word of God. Deal?
You do not seem to be remotely familiar with the Word of God who is Jesus the Christ . . . but little elmer at least seems to have some acquaintance with Him. Good luck with your "precepts and doctrines of men" . . . they will be of little comfort to you in the end, I suspect. Your agape love is flawed and corrupted by the doctrine you believe.
If it never entered the mind of God, then how do you explain the burning of Sodom, and the numerous referenced elsewhere in the Bible where it states that the burning of Sodom was an example of what God will do to unbelievers after judgment?
Syncretism, as it entered the minds of men.
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Those who deny these parts of scripture simply admit that they do not believe what the Bible says.
Subjective, for All Scripture is inspired and profitable for teaching; for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.
However, not many understand what it means to be admonished by the Spirit, nor are they open to being corrected and truly trained in the ways of righteousness.
Therefore, they remain unprofitable.
Many will say on their day of judgment: "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?"
Even if you had the gift of prophecy, understood all mysteries with that of having all knowledge, faith that moves mountains; it means nothing.
Many will say on their day of judgment: "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?"
You choose to believe this part of the Bible, but reject other parts as saying it is syncretism? Interesting, but picking and chooing is what turns the word of God into words of men?
There are people who pretend to be a persons who can separate the correct from the incorrect in the Bible and they have the arrogance of elevating themselves in a position of someone who can declare what is correct and what is not correct, and that allows them to pick, choose and reject whatever they find convenient/inconvenient. It is how false teachings are born. And that process begins from the assumption that the Bible is NOT the word of God, but a book full of errors, and the man, the teacher of the false teaching claims to be the one who sees the truth form the error because the spirit reveals the truth to him, and he reveals it to you. And when you question them, they will tell you that they know the truth because they have the spirit and the you do not, and therefore they can't possibly know the truth.
No, I take the Bible as the word of God and I allow the Holy Spirit educate me while I read it. Not once has the spirit told me that is is merely writings of men and full of errors.
I believe the above verse, and what comes after it where is says "away from me you evildoers". It is clear evidence that some will enter, and some will not. When the Bible says God destroyed Sodom, I believe it.
Idk anyone who doesn't bat an eyelid! The thought of it bothers me IMMENSELY.
Altho I don't think it's actual physical burning fire, but more emotional pain. Still, it pains me to even think about and makes me want to throw up if I dwell on it too long.
Not a trick question, but why would your loving god engage in roasting (dead) humans? Do you actually visualize him standing at a death camp oven, wearing welder's goggles, yelling "next!". It is just stunning what dangerous stunts the human imagination is capable of.
And I am NOT singling you out, sophialee. I am sad for anyone and everyone who dwells on this for any length of time, even once. Life here on this earth is wonderful and sacred so why do people insist on creating heinous images of what will not ever happen?
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I'm going to have to side with the 'ET'ers' on the issue of Sodom and Gomorrah and the OT in general. God did use fire repeatedly to destroy/kill sinners. This, though, is very different from purposely tormenting people for the purpose of causing them maximum pain. The idea that God will resurrect the wicked with 'indestructable' bodies for the sole purpose of feeling pain is plain sadistic and sounds like something cooked up by vengeful Jews during the Intertestamental period.
You choose to believe this part of the Bible, but reject other parts as saying it is syncretism?
"There would be no reason for correction, if no error existed."
After reading the Old Testament, I realized that there was a ribbon of truth (the living Spirit) within, blended with the thoughts of men who would slaughter innocent women and children, dashing babies against the rocks, and sacrificing their own to flames of fire. It’s just one of the reasons that I was never indoctrinated into "Hell Fire." As I had mentioned, "All of Scripture is inspired and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness; but not many understand what it means to be admonished by the Spirit, nor are they open to being corrected and truly trained in the ways of righteousness." Again, one word describes this, that of Syncretism. Historically, languages have changed and so have the definitions based on the words of men who attempted to reconcile their own form of justice without mercy. Just look into almost any dictionary and you will see the additions of man's thoughts, especially when it comes to Religion. Hell and Eternity are only two examples that most on this forum are already aware of, however, the numbers run into the thousands. Satan is another one of those words that has been defined from the minds of men. Perhaps that is enough said, although I sincerely hope it was a good and acceptable stretch for your imagination, nothing wrong with exercising the ineffectiveness of fables – if your mind is set on them.
"Go and learn what this means, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have come to call not the righteous, but sinners."
Now, ask yourself why did Jesus correct the Pharisee’s?
Why were they his adversary and accusers?
I'm going to have to side with the 'ET'ers' on the issue of Sodom and Gomorrah and the OT in general. God did use fire repeatedly to destroy/kill sinners. This, though, is very different from purposely tormenting people for the purpose of causing them maximum pain. The idea that God will resurrect the wicked with 'indestructable' bodies for the sole purpose of feeling pain is plain sadistic and sounds like something cooked up by vengeful Jews during the Intertestamental period.
Yep it does sound sadistic, vengeful but it's in the bible.
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Yep it does sound sadistic, vengeful but it's in the bible.
If that's the interpretation you accept, than I think you have to do a mighty lot of moral pretzel-twisting to make it agree with your deepest sense of morality and decency.
Historically, languages have changed and so have the definitions based on the words of men who attempted to reconcile their own form of justice without mercy. Just look into almost any dictionary and you will see the additions of man's thoughts, especially when it comes to Religion. Hell and Eternity are only two examples that most on this forum are already aware of, however, the numbers run into the thousands. Satan is another one of those words that has been defined from the minds of men.
Incorrect. Like I mentioned earlier, when archaeologists found the dead sea scrolls with the Biblical texts inside, they wanted to compare the old text to the new, and because of the theory which you also offer about ever changing languages and translations, they thought they would prove that the Bible has changed beyond recognition over the centuries because languages change and because the Bible has been copied over and over. However, when they performed the comparison, they were amazed to discover that the new and the old were practically identical word for word.
The Lord has protected His word from changes for hundreds of years. This is precisely why people can't come in and discredit the Bible like you just tried to do.
If that's the interpretation you accept, than I think you have to do a mighty lot of moral pretzel-twisting to make it agree with your deepest sense of morality and decency.
God's truth does not have to line up with your idea of morality and divive justice. If you can't accept the truth, then don't, but please do not try to change what the Bible clearly teaches about the final judgment.
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