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Old 11-16-2010, 03:07 PM
 
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This is what i mean Twin about the message of sin and condemnation ^^. Where is the good news in it ?.

We have the same anointing as Jesus which is to preach good news to the poor,heal the brokenheated,preach deliverance for the captive ,recovery of sight to the blind and set at liberty them that are bruised.
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:26 PM
 
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twin.spin,

Do you rejoice in this good news that God burns his enemies forever? Since apparently that is what you believe, and God's judgments are good and righteous, do you praise God every day over His righteous judgment as people burn in eternal fire?

Or do you despise God's judgments and wish they weren't so?

Or do you not care one way or the other?
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:27 PM
 
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This is what i mean Twin about the message of sin and condemnation ^^. Where is the good news in it ?.

We have the same anointing as Jesus which is to preach good news to the poor,heal the brokenheated,preach deliverance for the captive ,recovery of sight to the blind and set at liberty them that are bruised.
pcamps,

There is no "good news" for those who reject Jesus. That's what Jesus' instruction to his disciples was, he told them to say basically 'there is no good new for you'

Luke 10:10-12
But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, ‘Even the dust of your town we wipe from our feet as a warning to you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God has come near.’ I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town. "
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:37 PM
 
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twin.spin,

Do you rejoice in this good news that God burns his enemies forever? Since apparently that is what you believe, and God's judgments are good and righteous, do you praise God every day over His righteous judgment as people burn in eternal fire?

Or do you despise God's judgments and wish they weren't so?

Or do you not care one way or the other?
Is that the only other option your logic concludes..?


p.s.
From a scriptural view point, that probably would be the core issue of UR " despise(ing) God's judgments and wish they weren't so? " and why I oppose it ..... which is why UR is considered a Satanic lie. Satan despises God's judgement against him.
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:43 PM
 
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Is that the only other option your logic concludes..?


p.s.
From a scriptural view point, that probably would be the core issue of UR " despise(ing) God's judgments and wish they weren't so? " and why I oppose it ..... which is why UR is considered a Satanic lie. Satan despises God's judgement against him.
So does that mean you rejoice in God's judgments? I believe scripturally that is what we are to do.
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Old 11-16-2010, 04:32 PM
 
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pcamps,

There is no "good news" for those who reject Jesus. That's what Jesus' instruction to his disciples was, he told them to say basically 'there is no good new for you'

Luke 10:10-12
But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, ‘Even the dust of your town we wipe from our feet as a warning to you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God has come near.’ I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town. "
I am not trying to make a case here for UR , i am debating this giving you the benefit of the doubt that ET is real , (just for arguments sake) .Your message still fails the test if ET is true, because your message is nothing like the message of Jesus, it's loaded with sin and condemnation and no good news.

Jesus said he was anointed to
  • preach good news to the poor
  • heal the brokenhearted
  • to preach deliverance to the captives
  • recovery of sight to the blind
  • to set at liberty them that are bruised
There is good news for those who reject Jesus , you rejected him all of your life until he opened your eyes,and he never gave up on you until he brought you to the realization that he truely his your savior just like he did for the rest of us.

But unfortunately just like the wicked servant you have forgotten this and are holding all to account those you believe are indebted to the master, for the very same thing you we were freely forgiven of.

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Old 11-16-2010, 04:48 PM
 
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So does that mean you rejoice in God's judgments? I believe scripturally that is what we are to do.

As odd as it may seem, the grand daughter of fred phelps does rejoice fully in the judgments of God, it may be that she believes everyone is going to hell but the ones of the phelps family that believes all that Fred teaches on the subject, but she rejoices in that judgment and expresses glee in it.

She made a statement in the BBC documentary that biblically it is hard to argue with. What should cause her not to be happy about the judgments of God if she believe all that God does is righteous and believes God will burn people in hell.

Emotionally people will object, but, the question does remain, why aren't more people as happy as she is about the righteous judgments of God. If someone believe a person deserves hell, there is then no reason to not to make a joyful noise about it.
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Old 11-16-2010, 05:15 PM
 
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As odd as it may seem, the grand daughter of fred phelps does rejoice fully in the judgments of God, it may be that she believes everyone is going to hell but the ones of the phelps family that believes all that Fred teaches on the subject, but she rejoices in that judgment and expresses glee in it.

She made a statement in the BBC documentary that biblically it is hard to argue with. What should cause her not to be happy about the judgments of God if she believe all that God does is righteous and believes God will burn people in hell.

Emotionally people will object, but, the question does remain, why aren't more people as happy as she is about the righteous judgments of God. If someone believe a person deserves hell, there is then no reason to not to make a joyful noise about it.
Indeed... I have watched those documentaries about the Phelps family. At least they are consistent in that respect. If God's judgments are indeed righteous, we should rejoice in them. Like you say - make a joyful noise!

twin.spin, do you rejoice in all of God's righteous judgments, including what you believe is Him condemning people to torment forever?
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Old 11-16-2010, 05:17 PM
 
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Emotionally people will object, but, the question does remain, why aren't more people as happy as she is about the righteous judgments of God. If someone believe a person deserves hell, there is then no reason to not to make a joyful noise about it.
i rejoice at the thought of Gods' judgements, but for a diferent reason:

Isa 26:9 -With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness


i use to believe in ET and my demeanor toward other people reflected it, but since i have come to know this will be, i personally have a completely different attitude and demeanor when i deal with other people. It has changed my whole outlook on this life.


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Old 11-16-2010, 05:38 PM
 
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i rejoice at the thought of Gods' judgements, but for a diferent reason:

Isa 26:9 -With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness


i use to believe in ET and my demeanor toward other people reflected it, but since i have come to know this will be, i personally have a completely different attitude and demeanor when i deal with other people. It has changed my whole outlook on this life.


Amen!
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