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I chose no because of what Jesus said is the most important commandment " Love the Lord your God with all your heart soul and mind". Jesus never recended the OT He confirmed it and added more understanding to it, "Eye for and eye" was not from God but from a king I believe so Jesus corrected the understanding. "Hate your enemies" was another area Jesus chose to clarify. The NT is a clarification and explination of the OT, nothing new but plenty fulfilled and plenty to be fulfilled. The lying pens of the scribes where not the scriptures but were comentaries of scripture which the pharasees prefered over the actual scriptures. These were the veils of blindness Jesus pointed out and today we all want to make assumption against the OT. You must make yourself knowledgable of all truth and not just fractions of truth or we all make ourselves liars by denying the truth which God has preserved for us in the culmination of our Bibles.
If you consider yourself to be a Christian then bear good fruit in the spirit by reading, studying, and believing the Word of God. Te Spirit will guide you to understanding even the most difficult of all scripture from Gods perspective not our carnal perspectives.
exactly, if beleif in the OT could save anyone then Jesus died in vain
I didn't say it could save anyone, did I?
Only Jesus saves.
1 verse in Jer 8:8 says that the scribes have twisted the Law into a lie. WHY? For their own benefit,,,and actually it would not be for THEIR benefit, but rather the kings they worked for, not unlike King James who had the bible written in a way that did not diminish his power. Do we discount the Word itself, or search for the Truth found in it?
The Word is perfect. There is no lie or deciet in it.
ALL SCRIPTURE given by inspiration of God, and profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
WHY???
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.-Paul,,,NT writer to Timothy.
If you look at all the denominations today, and the doctrines they all believe in,,,we can still see it today. Only this time, they use translations, or pull verses out of context.
"What is TRUTH?", as asked by Pilate.
Jesus, which from the very beginning in Genesis, to the very last book of His Personal Revelation to John, and all the way in between...it has always been about Him, and will always be about Him.
Let us not discount the Word, His Word, to satisfy ANY doctrine, if it doesn't line up with the WHOLE of scripture. From the first book, to the last.
I chose no because of what Jesus said is the most important commandment " Love the Lord your God with all your heart soul and mind". Jesus never recended the OT He confirmed it and added more understanding to it, "Eye for and eye" was not from God but from a king I believe so Jesus corrected the understanding. "Hate your enemies" was another area Jesus chose to clarify. The NT is a clarification and explination of the OT, nothing new but plenty fulfilled and plenty to be fulfilled. The lying pens of the scribes where not the scriptures but were comentaries of scripture which the pharasees prefered over the actual scriptures. These were the veils of blindness Jesus pointed out and today we all want to make assumption against the OT. You must make yourself knowledgable of all truth and not just fractions of truth or we all make ourselves liars by denying the truth which God has preserved for us in the culmination of our Bibles.
If you consider yourself to be a Christian then bear good fruit in the spirit by reading, studying, and believing the Word of God. Te Spirit will guide you to understanding even the most difficult of all scripture from Gods perspective not our carnal perspectives.
I chose no because of what Jesus said is the most important commandment " Love the Lord your God with all your heart soul and mind". Jesus never recended the OT He confirmed it and added more understanding to it, "Eye for and eye" was not from God but from a king I believe so Jesus corrected the understanding. "Hate your enemies" was another area Jesus chose to clarify. The NT is a clarification and explination of the OT, nothing new but plenty fulfilled and plenty to be fulfilled. The lying pens of the scribes where not the scriptures but were comentaries of scripture which the pharasees prefered over the actual scriptures. These were the veils of blindness Jesus pointed out and today we all want to make assumption against the OT. You must make yourself knowledgable of all truth and not just fractions of truth or we all make ourselves liars by denying the truth which God has preserved for us in the culmination of our Bibles.
If you consider yourself to be a Christian then bear good fruit in the spirit by reading, studying, and believing the Word of God. Te Spirit will guide you to understanding even the most difficult of all scripture from Gods perspective not our carnal perspectives.
My 'version' of who and what God is, is reflected by HIS WRITTEN WORD. HIS LIVING WORD. HIS SON!
Sorry Hot . . . they are NOT compatible and the ability to accept them as compatible requires that you remain under the veil of ignorance that covers the OT. Only by accepting Jesus Christ as the TRUE NATURE of God can you reconcile the OT with the NT and understand their different purposes. It is called correctly DIVIDING the word.
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How can the writers be blinded? I agree the mass of people were,,,but the WRITERS? They were INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO WRITE WHAT THEY WROTE. How dare you discount that.
Inspiration does not remove the ignorance of the one receiving it. A blind mind = an ignorant mind . . . but it can still be an inspired and intelligent one. At the risk of repeating myself . . . I will reiterate the difference that ignorance makes in interpretation and communication of inspirations and observations.
The following descriptions compare the way a knowledgeable modern man would interpret what he has seen with the way the same event would have been interpreted by an ignorant (in modern terms) Viking intellectual. First the actual event as it would be described in the modern interpretation:
A man lands a helicopter in a clearing of the forest, takes out a .45 calibre automatic pistol, shoots it at a rabbit, then returns to the helicopter and flies away into the clouds.
The Viking, on the other hand, would probably describe it in a manner similar to the following:
Thor came hunting in a flying chariot with his hammer that throws lightning bolts, and then went back to his home in the clouds.
It is important to recognize that the Viking's interpretation is not the result of low intelligence, but is the result of a lack of valid information (ignorance). The previous description would probably have been produced by a Viking genius, as long as he lacked any knowledge of gunpowder and helicopters. The explanation would be an accurate account of what he saw and perfectly acceptable, when compared with his knowledge of the world . . . ie. level of ignorance.
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Really? So had they NOT done ALL that is in them,,,how could Jesus' come from the very covenant, the very Law, the very people that God personally had to interviene for,,, to INSURE they would remain until the time came to hearld the King? And you claim they are just ignorant? You claim their wires are crossed? WOW!!!
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Actually, there are certain guidelines to be followed,,,and believing the Father and His WRITTEN WORD, which hearlded the birth of His Son is one of them.
Properly dividing the word, Hot . . . heralding Jesus, validating His pedigree, providing hope and instruction in righteousness is the purpose of the OT . . . not accurately describing and understanding the true nature of God. Jesus' is the unambiguous example of the true nature of God. He had none of the human weaknesses attributed to Jehovah by our ignorant (not unintelligent) ancestors. Remember Hot . . . 2 Corinthians 3: 2-6 (King James Version)
2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
I think that a person can believe in Jesus and yet not believe the OT. I think that this may only pertain to people who are new to the faith or who have little understanding of Christ and Christianity. As soon as you begin to study about Christ, it is apparant that he confirms the OT and that the OT is full of Jesus Christ.
So, a new Christian or someone who knows nothing of the faith can believe and Jesus and not have an understanding or belief in the things found in the OT.
1 verse in Jer 8:8 says that the scribes have twisted the Law into a lie. WHY? For their own benefit,,,and actually it would not be for THEIR benefit, but rather the kings they worked for, not unlike King James who had the bible written in a way that did not diminish his power. Do we discount the Word itself, or search for the Truth found in it?
Then why is it that eye for an eye, etc. is found in the law of Moses and yet Jesus says NO to each of them?
They did not twist the law they added to it just like Jer says they did.
Hotin satan works by sowing tares among the wheat, what better why to make God look [SIZE=3]Schizophrenic then to sow tares among the wheat of His word to get people to beleive God is not exactly like Jesus says He is.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]One of the reasons for Jesus comming was to seperate the tares out of His word and if people would just listen to Jesus they would recognise the tares when they see them.[/SIZE]
To show mans misunderstanding of Gods word. Read Deut 19:21 but be sure to read the context. Eye for an eye was much like when Jesus siad "If your eye offends pluck it out" it was a guide to the right choice, pluck your eye out or accept Christ. Eye for and eye was a deterant to those who wished to chose sin. Please read context with every quote you or anyone choses as an example.
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