How do you interpret/balance these verses? (faith, God, Christian)
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Common sense tells me that he was telling the people to judge THEIR OWN HEARTS rather than his action and perhaps they would perceive and remove the beam of wood (lack of love and understanding) in their own eyes.
When one is already deceived about the Spirit one is responding to their motives and attitude are irrelevant. "Judge not . . ." is safest.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
How is it wrong spirit? Your comment slams an untold number of believers as spiritually disqualified to help their fellow believers come to repentance. That's how. Like many of your posts (unfortunately) it is not designed to help, but to tear down and to demean. You could really improve in this area, and I pray that you will.
Please point out in my post where I specified "believers" . . . and not "unbelievers" or anybody else conceivable. My caveat is similarly GENERIC. Someone is reading with a distinct bias.
Please point out in my post where I specified "believers" . . . and not "unbelievers" or anybody else conceivable. My caveat is similarly GENERIC. Someone is reading with a distinct bias.
You're not fooling anyone. We were talking about the Bible encouraging believers to judge fellow believers in a positive way in order to help them back on the right path. That's when you cut in with your comment. No further comment. I have no interest in these games.
Thanks for all the responses. I guess I believe we should judge people's actions but not the people themselves, remember that we all have been misguided at one point or another to one degree or another. It's good to give people advice/constructive criticism, especially if they want to better themselves and follow Jesus more closely; but don't pass judgement on the people (Leave that to The Father.)
How is it that you believe, "I see judgment as a negative?" Do you lack sound judgment?
Wasn't your point about self control to say that people should exersice self control so they can avoid judging people? Well, if judgment is a positive thing then your comment makes no sense. It makes sense only if judgement is seen as a negative thing. If you meant something else, you can just explain your point.
Thanks for all the responses. I guess I believe we should judge people's actions but not the people themselves, remember that we all have been misguided at one point or another to one degree or another. It's good to give people advice/constructive criticism, especially if they want to better themselves and follow Jesus more closely; but don't pass judgement on the people (Leave that to The Father.)
Indeed. The goal should be to help the individual, not to beat them down.
But that passage doesn't say judge yourself so you can JUDGE others.... you're reading that into it and it would contradict the very first line: judge NOT. It says, judge yourself, deal with your own issues and see them for the "large beam of wood" they are in your life, Then you can see clearly to know how to view another's issues as a splinter of wood (insignifcant) to your life. Think about what that means, and how it will impact the attitude with whcih you respond to what you perceive as sin in another person's life.
I think the emphasis of what Jesus said, is clearly and solely directed at the beam in our own eye, and not getting the beam out of our own eye so we can take the speck of dust out of our brothers. Seriously do you not see the brother with a speck of dust in his eye, is in a far better place to judge, than the brother who needs the beam taken out of his eye ?. Yet i will guarantee you the brother with the speck in his eye. trusts the Lord to remove the beam out of his brothers eye, rather than play God himself.
Also the verses "Elijah to come" quoted have nothing to do at all with what Jesus is saying, they are just verses that the carnal mind(the man who does not know himself) takes to justify judging his brother.
Take heed to what you listen to trettep.
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. Seriously do you not see the brother with a speck of dust in his eye, is in a far better place to judge, than the brother who needs the beam taken out of his eye ?. Yet i will guarantee you the brother with the speck in his eye. trusts the Lord to remove the beam out of his brothers eye, rather than play God himself.
