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Originally Posted by Jrhockney Has anyone who is oppose this "one strike and youre out" idea (which I think is well beyond absurd) mentioned 1 corinthians 5:1-5 yet? Paul offers the possibility of the christian offender who committed adultery against his father as well as incest saved again in the end after being cast out.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Indeed, much like in Ezekiel, which Verna quotes, the sinner will have to pay a price (while living), but his sould is still eternally saved.
If the son was the child of the devil, then obviously the father would have to be the devil, but that is not the case, as the father in the story is God. Lost son, lost coin, lost sheep are all the same.
It would be so nice...so helpful Finn! if you would actually READ! the post I posted! I SAID the father represented GOD!...read it!...
"...His desire was to be independant of his father...spiritually...this shows the desire of his heart was to be independant of God. He was against God...and against Heaven."
It would be so nice...so helpful Finn! if you would actually READ! the post I posted! I SAID the father represented GOD!...read it!...
You also said the son was the son of the devil, and that would make the father the devil. Anyway, let's not argue about that. The point is that the son was WITH his father, and then he walked away and then he RETURNED back to his father. He was with God, then away from God, and then with God again, and according to what you have said that should not be possible.
Sorry but my quote command doesnt work on my phone internet. I have to use it since I have three worship services to play guitar on this morning and thats part of the reason I can only be somewhat in this converstion for the moment.
Actually Verna, I mainly said you didn't have to respond if you didn't want to. I posted that verse because it occurred to me afterward and wanted to see if it had been brought up. And by the way, Paul said there is fornication/or sexual immorality/ or harlotry (depending on your bible translation) AMONG you. I think its quite a stretch to say that none of the immorality was done by actual Christians
You also said the son was the son of the devil, and that would make the father the devil. Anyway, let's not argue about that.
No...let's do! The son (who is a figure of one who is full of pride, and desires to GO HIS OWN WAY! WITHOUT HIS FATHER!) in this circumstance is the son of the devil...and it does not make the father (who is a figure of THE FATHER!) the devil!
I think you just like to type...to type...meaningless words on superficial paper!
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
The point is that the son was WITH his father, and then he walked away and then he RETURNED back to his father. He was with God,...
...but unrepentant...full of pride and full of sin!..a child of the devil.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
...then away from God,
...was never WITH God at this point...remember Finn...?...I said that God said (and proved it in scripture), that GOD DOES NOT KNOW A WILLFULL SINNER, NOR DOES A WILLFULL SINNER KNOW GOD.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
...and then with God again,
Nope - hasn't been with God yet...he's been a willfull sinner..God does not know him yet.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
...and according to what you have said that should not be possible.
...and you've managed to mangle it all up again in your mind Finn...
No...let's do! The son (who is a figure of one who is full of pride, and desires to GO HIS OWN WAY! WITHOUT HIS FATHER!) in this circumstance is the son of the devil...and it does not make the father (who is a figure of THE FATHER!) the devil!
I think you just like to type...to type...meaningless words on superficial paper!
...but unrepentant...full of pride and full of sin!..a child of the devil.
...was never WITH God at this point...remember Finn...?...I said that God said (and proved it in scripture), that GOD DOES NOT KNOW A WILLFULL SINNER, NOR DOES A WILLFULL SINNER KNOW GOD.
Nope - hasn't been with God yet...he's been a willfull sinner..God does not know him yet.
...and you've managed to mangle it all up again in your mind Finn...
Personal opinons and assumptions spiced up with personal stabs.
God's truth given with understanding, not assumptions.
I guess you just bring out the best in people Finn with your rediculous posts...
Either the Bible says what you are saying, or it doesn't, and in this case it does not. So, you offer personal opinon and assumption. The story is about the son returning back to where he came from, which in this case if God. He was with God, then he left, and then he repented and came back. Simple.
PS Drop the insults. It's getting a little tiresome to see them in every post you make.
It specifically says the builder has not lost his/her salvation even if there are no works, or if the works were worthless.
You are interpreting more into it again that is just not present!
1 Corintians 3:10-15 10According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it. 11For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work. 14If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
Where does it specifically say no works? How can you be builder if you DO NOT build.
I am not arguing faith vs works. All I am saying is READ the scripture do not interpret it, where does it say no works?
Slowly but surely we can strip away all the spurious ideas that get added by biased interpretation and actually see what the scripture SAYS.
No where does it actually say salvation cannot be lost.
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if you would actually READ! the post I posted! I SAID the father represented GOD!...read it!...
To build or not to build
