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No Mr Jarber the lake of fire is not eternal hell. And you only need to take a look back over the fiery debates over last few years how fundamentalists have thought tooth and nail that Sheol, Gehenna, hades and Tartarus all mean the same thing to them. Sheol,Gehenna,hades and Tartarus to most Christians means one thing eternal hell, that they falsely believe Jesus came to save them from(Jesus Christ saved no one from eternal hell).The Universalists on here at the very least have proven without doubt the misuse and the mistranslation of the word of hell.
I fo not recall seeing anyone argue Sheol,Gehenna,hades and Tartarus are all the same thing, and even if someone has argued it, I can assure you that I HAVE NOT.
I fo not recall seeing anyone argue Sheol,Gehenna,hades and Tartarus are all the same thing, and even if someone has argued it, I can assure you that I HAVE NOT.
I'm pretty sure you that you do not see the correct translation of these words in your bible, and the the biggest obstacle for the Universalsts that I seen since posting on this forum is,them trying to convince Fundamentalsts that the words Sheol Gehenna hades and Tartarus have been mistranslated to mean the eternal hell that you have faith you are saved from.
Jesus had to die because He was a man and all men die. If you mean why did He have to die the horrendous way He did at the time He did . . . it was because of the savage and barbaric nature and beliefs (sins = missing the mark) of our ignorant ancestors (Who knew not what they did!). Blaming it on God the Father continued that barbaric ignorance and corrupted Christ's original and only Good News message of God's love for us ALL. His rebirth as Spirit (resurrection) removed all fear of death and equipped us ALL with His Holy Spirit (Comforter) within our consciousness to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts." If only we would sincerely seek the truth in our hearts with His guidance!!!
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So, in your opinon His death had nothing to do with satisfying God's justice?
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It had everything to do with satisfying God's PROMISE to us. In Prophesy God promised us a Messiah who would teach us righteousness. He told us how to identify Him; What His status is; How He would be treated by us; and How to validate Him through prophesy even beyond His death. Jesus REDEEMED that promise and exemplified God's true nature unambiguously even through scourging and death. His rebirth as Spirit (resurrection) removed all fear of death and provided His Holy Spirit (Comforter) to us in our consciousness to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts" so we would not need anyone to teach us.
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But, in your opinon His death had nothing to do with satisfying God's justice?
Moderator cut: deleted It had to do with redeeming God's promise to us, period! Our ignorant ancestors' beliefs in a vengeful, jealous, and egotistical War God thought God's justice (a human creation) had to be satisfied or appeased by blood sacrifice. That was the only kind of God they had ever known. Christ and His Father of Love and forgiveness was totally alien to them.
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That's what your 'inner serpent' told you, but you must remember he was a liar from the begining.
Can you quote a bible verse that states that Jesus Christ saved us from eternal hell(your favorite verse in the whole wide world John 3:16 does not say that he saved us from eternal hell). The belief in this is the cause of mainstream Christianity being a dead religion.
Here's a bible verse that clearly what God saved us for not from. Which by the way also answers the OP. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. acts 3:26
That's what your 'inner serpent' told you, but you must remember he was a liar from the begining.
I often say to myself get behind me satan.
The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
It had everything to do with satisfying God's PROMISE to us. In Prophesy God promised us a Messiah who would teach us righteousness. He told us how to identify Him; What His status is; How He would be treated by us; and How to validate Him through prophesy even beyond His death. Jesus REDEEMED that promise and exemplified God's true nature unambiguously even through scourging and death. His rebirth as Spirit (resurrection) removed all fear of death and provided His Holy Spirit (Comforter) to us in our consciousness to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts" so we would not need anyone to teach us.
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I assume by this repetitive query that you have a reading problem. It had to do with redeeming God's promise to us, period! Our ignorant ancestors' beliefs in a vengeful, jealous, and egotistical War God thought God's justice (a human creation) had to be satisfied or appeased by blood sacrifice. That was the only kind of God they had ever known. Christ and His Father of Love and forgiveness was totally alien to them.
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Oh, sorry, I thought your failure to address the question meant you did not understand the question, so I repeated it. Now I understand you simply do not want to answer it directly. No worries.
Are you serious?? You do not see an answer in my TWO posts? I was only being facetious in suggesting you have a reading problem . . . but if you REALLY do not see that I answered your question I am not so sure. Do you or do you not see that I answered your question???
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. His rebirth as Spirit (resurrection) removed all fear of death and equipped us ALL with His Holy Spirit (Comforter) within our consciousness to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts." If only we would sincerely seek the truth in our hearts with His guidance!!!
