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The reason I say that is because generally I don't have pseudo-Christian cultists trying to pass of their religions as Christian to me and others around me.
Really? I don't see any of those around here, but I have run into several of those holier-than-thou-Christian-in-name-only types.
Not necessarily. I don't think that just because they hold to reformed theology we should call them pseudo Christian cultists. It is not that erroneous theology that disqualifies, for any of them might still display God's love in their lives. Draw your circles to include the exclusionists.
Not necessarily. I don't think that just because they hold to reformed theology we should call them pseudo Christian cultists. It is not that erroneous theology that disqualifies, for any of them might still display God's love in their lives. Draw your circles to include the exclusionists.
I was the one that referred to "pseudo Christian cultists". I personally hold to reformed theology, so obviously that wasn't what I meant. What I meant was those that deny key doctrines, such as the Trinity, the sacrificial atonement, salvation by faith alone through grace alone, etc.
There are many fringe groups on this board that get lumped together as "Christian", but deny clear Biblical teaching on those things.
How so? I'm not the one who goes around telling everybody whose beliefs differ from mine in any way that they're not "real" Christians, but just "pseuo-Christian cultists."
I'm reminded of Luke 9:49-50. When Jesus Christ's Apostles thought they'd impress Him by how exclusionary they were, saying, "Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us," Jesus responded by saying, "Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us."
Mark 9:38-41 gives another account of the same event. In Mark's account, John told Christ, "Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us." And to this boast, the Savior responded, "Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part. For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward."
He certainly could have said, "Good for you! Those pseudo-Christian cultists need to be put in their place."
I was the one that referred to "pseudo Christian cultists". I personally hold to reformed theology, so obviously that wasn't what I meant. What I meant was those that deny key doctrines, such as the Trinity, the sacrificial atonement, salvation by faith alone through grace alone, etc.
Yeah, and one of your "key doctrines" (salvation by faith alone) is denied by the majority of the world's Christians. You know, those "pseudo-Christian cults" known as Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy" believe that in addition to faith, obedience to God's commandments is also essential. Actually, a number of Protestant denominations deny the doctrine of "sola fide," too.
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There are many fringe groups on this board that get lumped together as "Christian", but deny clear Biblical teaching on those things.
The only thing they deny is your own personal interpretation of "clear Biblical teaching."
The penal substitution theory follows that of believing in a Trinity.
You cannot have one without the other.
Those who believe they are Christian through scapegoating theologies.
Should seriously consider their beliefs as non-Christian.
(You sound much like that of a youth pastor?)
Matthew 20:18-19 Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem; and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and scribes.
They will condemn Him to death, handing Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him:
And on the third day, He will be raised up.
Let me ask you, again. In this scenario, where does the Father fit in? Is he behind it, inspiring them to murder him?
Or is it that, He Will Raise in up again?
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Isaiah 53:10 The Father was the one scourging him on the cross.
But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
And yes--he then raised him up.
Suffering and death is not limited to one individual.
But a loving father, would never scourge his innocent child for the guilty.
Neither would he, torment an innocent child for that of his wicked one.
"God does not need a whipping boy; and you will die in your sin."
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