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Originally Posted by nateswift View Post
See, the problem is that you MUST dot every i and cross every t correctly or God will be mad at you. Get it right!
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Originally Posted by janelle144
HUH?
janelle, emoticons are a good tool to indicate the intent of something that may not be obvious in just posting words. The "rolleyes" indicates that the poster doesn't think what is said makes sense. In this case the irony is that these nitpickers about expression of faith seem to have that attitude expressed.
It means to trust in Jesus alone for your salvation. The work of Jesus at the cross is a finished work, never to be repeated. You are saved by grace and grace alone. Nowhere does Jesus say follow God's law to be saved. He only ever said those that believe in Him will be saved. As I have said, when you rest in the finished work of Christ then holiness happens by accident in the life of a believer. But how can holiness manifests through faith if you're always working to make it happen? Jesus rebuked this before the Pharisees and told them their works will never save them.
So what you are denying is trust in yourself, trust in your parents, trust in Father/H.S., trust in those who preached to you, and trust in translations of books? trust me, you dont trust in Jesus alone. catholic Christians trust the Church that cannonized the Bible, and believe it to be a scriptural Church founded through Peter the rock and therefore established by Jesus himself.
"not a single letter of the law shall pass"
"you must be more righteous than the pharesees to enter the kingdom"
"if you believed in me, you would do as i say"
"keep the (360ish) commandments and give away all you possess"
"the messiah will bring peace on Earth" you call this "finished work" ?
I dont remember Jesus ever saying "holiness happens by accident."
holiness manifest through faith? what i remeber is "works (fruit) are the prove of your faith"
The pharasee's work was a Jewish/tribal work, not a deeply spiritual one. why would Jesus condem good works? let the bad and slothful keep your religion, goodness will be mine as it was Thomas Paines' and as kindness is the religion of Tenzin Giatzo, i will seek to educate you. What does your God know of kindness? All it knows is power-hunger and empty, sadistic sacrifise rituals.
Jesus tried to teach that there were no amount of dead calfs and bulls that would make up for one's misdeeds. And there is no amount of dead demigods/avatars that can accomplish that either. it is sincere apology and sorrow that changes the bad into good. Jesus should have forseen you and said: "factionist protests and non-works will never save you either"
here's a good joke: why couldn't protestants exorcise demons possesing catholics in the middle ages? because both religions are false.
So what you are denying is trust in yourself, trust in your parents, trust in Father/H.S., trust in those who preached to you, and trust in translations of books? trust me, you dont trust in Jesus alone. catholic Christians trust the Church that cannonized the Bible, and believe it to be a scriptural Church founded through Peter the rock and therefore established by Jesus himself.
"not a single letter of the law shall pass"
"you must be more righteous than the pharesees to enter the kingdom"
"if you believed in me, you would do as i say"
"keep the (360ish) commandments and give away all you possess"
"the messiah will bring peace on Earth" you call this "finished work" ?
I dont remember Jesus ever saying "holiness happens by accident."
holiness manifest through faith? what i remeber is "works (fruit) are the prove of your faith"
The pharasee's work was a Jewish/tribal work, not a deeply spiritual one. why would Jesus condem good works? let the bad and slothful keep your religion, goodness will be mine as it was Thomas Paines' and as kindness is the religion of Tenzin Giatzo, i will seek to educate you. What does your God know of kindness? All it knows is power-hunger and empty, sadistic sacrifise rituals.
Jesus tried to teach that there were no amount of dead calfs and bulls that would make up for one's misdeeds. And there is no amount of dead demigods/avatars that can accomplish that either. it is sincere apology and sorrow that changes the bad into good. Jesus should have forseen you and said: "factionist protests and non-works will never save you either"
here's a good joke: why couldn't protestants exorcise demons possesing catholics in the middle ages? because both religions are false.
And how does one become more righteous than a Pharisee? You have the righteousness of another who's righteousness is greater than a Pharisee imputed to you by God and He does this on the grounds of Jesus' finished work on the cross.
Going by the law, the Pharisees were blameless not sinless. Loving all mankind is not the key to having your righteousness greater than the Pharisees. And if Jesus said your righteousness must be far greater than a Pharisee and if He was referring to our righteousness then no one is going to Heaven because the Pharisees kept God's law better than anyone on earth. Do you see that going on in the world today? I don't think so. The only way your righteousness can be far greater than a Pharisee is to have Jesus' righteousness imputed to you. You still trust in yourself Jerwade and a false doctrine. You contradict yourself with talking as if sins are forgiven on no grounds but yet you agree that if our righteousness is not greater than a Pharisee we cannot enter Heaven. So which is it?
And how does one become more righteous than a Pharisee?
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
Love all mankind, not just yourself.
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Originally Posted by romans519
Going by the law, the Pharisees were blameless not sinless. Loving all mankind is not the key to having your righteousness greater than the Pharisees. And if Jesus said your righteousness must be far greater than a Pharisee and if He was referring to our righteousness then no one is going to Heaven because the Pharisees kept God's law better than anyone on earth. Do you see that going on in the world today? I don't think so. The only way your righteousness can be far greater than a Pharisee is to have Jesus' righteousness imputed to you. You still trust in yourself Jerwade and a false doctrine. You contradict yourself with talking as if sins are forgiven on no grounds but yet you agree that if our righteousness is not greater than a Pharisee we cannot enter Heaven. So which is it?
Therefore, the question is: How do you incorporate what is virtuous into your own life?
That which is good, just and upright, blameless or spotless. "Come, follow Me." You should make an attempt not to impute your views of human justice into the Cross of Christ, as if it were a legal transaction.
Going by the law, the Pharisees were blameless not sinless. Loving all mankind is not the key to having your righteousness greater than the Pharisees. And if Jesus said your righteousness must be far greater than a Pharisee and if He was referring to our righteousness then no one is going to Heaven because the Pharisees kept God's law better than anyone on earth. Do you see that going on in the world today? I don't think so. The only way your righteousness can be far greater than a Pharisee is to have Jesus' righteousness imputed to you. You still trust in yourself Jerwade and a false doctrine. You contradict yourself with talking as if sins are forgiven on no grounds but yet you agree that if our righteousness is not greater than a Pharisee we cannot enter Heaven. So which is it?
No they did not keep the law better than anyone
Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
Actually they did. The Pharisees trained their kids literally from birth, God's law and to obey it. And it is interesting that Jesus reserved His strongest rebuke for only the Pharisees.
Actually they did. The Pharisees trained their kids literally from birth, God's law and to obey it. And it is interesting that Jesus reserved His strongest rebuke for only the Pharisees.
No they kept the traditions of men Better than anyone. They knew what the bible said, but had no understanding whatsoever of what it meant .
This is why Jesus said you break the command to keep your traditions.
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