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Where there is love and forgiveness; there is no need for an offering or sacrifice because of sin.
But the eyes can only see, what the mind has, is, and will be prepared to comprehend.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
To prevent you from making assumptions' the source of the quote(s) came from the Spirit within me.
It would be of benefit, if you didn't twist what another person is saying to fit your ideology of punishment.
Minor correction above...
Spirit should be spirit.
God, who is love, still felt the need the sacrifice His Son on the cross for all sin - because love and forgiveness is ineffective on their own to override the penalty of sin.
Minor correction above...
Spirit should be spirit.
God, who is love, still felt the need the sacrifice His Son on the cross for all sin - because love and forgiveness is ineffective on their own to override the penalty of sin.
This is the satanic blasphemy of our loving Father that the OT corruption of God's motives produces. Read 1 Cor 13 carefully and show me where it says love needs sacrifice and punishment to forgive. Only primitive savages who have been indoctrinated from birth to believe God required blood sacrifices every year to appease His angry, vengeful and jealous nature would come up with such a corrupt interpretation of Christ's sacrifice to lay down His life for us.
Last edited by MysticPhD; 07-28-2013 at 09:22 AM..
God, who is love, still felt the need the sacrifice His Son on the cross for all sin - because love and forgiveness is ineffective on their own to override the penalty of sin.
I agree that only God's Spirit should be capitalized. While the spirit of man is always not.
In reference to your comments that I have bolded above. That is what Jesus taught and God's written word speaks of. One must reject Jesus Christ to not believe this.
This is the satanic blasphemy of our loving Father that the OT corruption of God's motives produces. Read 1 Cor 13 carefully and show me where it says love needs sacrifice and punishment to forgive. Only primitive savages who have been indoctrinated from birth to believe God required blood sacrifices every year to appease His angry, vengeful and jealous nature would come up with such a corrupt interpretation of Christ's sacrifice to lay down His life for us.
Be careful what you call blasphemy. Calling the belief of Jesus dieing for the sins of the world blasphemy is the unforgivable sin should you continue in this belief until death. I strongly suggest you repent and believe what Jesus said when John 3:16 was written which is Jesus' own words.
God is justice and love. If you are just you cannot leave sin unpunished. If you are love you cannot punish the sinner. Jesus is a testament to the true nature of God by laying down His life for us and taking the punishment for our sins.
Atonement works in this way. We at one time rejected Him as did they in His time on earth which led to His death. He in turn has shown mercy. His Love for our hate is the substitutionary gift of God. One can not work for such a gift but rather only receive.
No, it is not true that a person you refer to as an 'easy believeist' believes that you don't have to repent.
And there are not four steps to repentance. Repentance - metanoia is defined below.
The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3341
Original Word Word Origin
metanoia from (3340)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Metanoia 4:975,636
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
met-an'-oy-ah Noun Feminine
Excerpt:
Many people ask us about our name: Metanoia. Literally, it is a Greek word meaning “change of mind”. Yet the full meaning is somewhat more. In the New Testament, the word metanoia is often translated as “repentance”. But this kind of repentance is not about regret or guilt or shame; it implies making a decision to turn around, to face a new direction. Metanoia: Turn toward the light
The statement that there is no such thing as having been born again is contrary to what the Bible says. A person is born again the moment he believes on Christ. To be born again is to be regenerated. To be made alive.
Ephesians 2:5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive (Aorist Indicative; it occurred in the past, at the moment you first trusted in Christ) together with Christ (by grace you are saved),
Of course, if you want to just disregard what the Bible says........
I am pretty sure that I did answer that question already. Once a person has accepted as true the fact that Jesus died for his sins, and therefore trusts in Christ for eternal life, he is eternally saved and cannot lose his salvation no matter how many sins he commits.
Evil by the way is a system of thought. It is the name of Satan's plan in opposition to God's plan.
So there is no such thing as justice and evil people go to heaven?
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Originally Posted by romans519
It would be of benefit if you would quote scripture because the "spirit inside of you" does not interest me in the slightest because I believe only those who believe in the finished work of Christ, His sacrifice for our sins has the Holy Spirit inside of them. You can debate scripture with personal feelings..
By calling into question what one feels lead of God to believe is true you are also questioning the validity of revealed religions.
If your going to debate against revealed religion then your scriptures even can't be trusted because they are said to be revealed.
The age and popularity of the New Testament does not prove it is valid in any way. Furthermore it was flung together by a bunch of people.
Scripture is not what is most important. What is most important is God and our forward moving walk with her.
God has revealed to me that the Trinity is false, Blood Sacrifice was never needed, Christ Worship is a sin, Jesus was Messiah and son of God but not God and did not need to die for our sins because God is all powerful and can do any thing.
So there is no such thing as justice and evil people go to heaven?
The cross IS the justice of God! Can you not see how God has so righteously saved us by condemning not only an innocent sinless man but His own Son for a crime He did not commit? Anyone would call that unjust by God did it that way so that we would never be punished for our sins. Anyone who knows they are a sinner and cannot save their selves will believe in this for their salvation.
This is the satanic blasphemy of our loving Father that the OT corruption of God's motives produces. Read 1 Cor 13 carefully and show me where it says love needs sacrifice and punishment to forgive. Only primitive savages who have been indoctrinated from birth to believe God required blood sacrifices every year to appease His angry, vengeful and jealous nature would come up with such a corrupt interpretation of Christ's sacrifice to lay down His life for us.
Since you just stated Christ did indeed sacrifice Himself - where did I get it wrong?
So there is no such thing as justice and evil people go to heaven?
By calling into question what one feels lead of God to believe is true you are also questioning the validity of revealed religions.
If your going to debate against revealed religion then your scriptures even can't be trusted because they are said to be revealed.
The age and popularity of the New Testament does not prove it is valid in any way. Furthermore it was flung together by a bunch of people.
Scripture is not what is most important. What is most important is God and our forward moving walk with her.
God has revealed to me that the Trinity is false, Blood Sacrifice was never needed, Christ Worship is a sin, Jesus was Messiah and son of God but not God and did not need to die for our sins because God is all powerful and can do any thing.
Your statements reveal you to not be Christian, and that you do not believe the Bible. If you want to talk about what religions teach instead of what God has revealed in His Word then you should go to the religion forum. That's what it's for. Christianity is not a man made religion, but is a relationship with God through Jesus Christ who Himself is the Second Person of the Trinity.
Justice took care of the sins of the world at the Cross. Jesus paid the penalty for any sin that anyone will ever commit. Including any sin that a believer will commit after salvation. Sin is therefore not the issue in salvation. The only issue in salvation is whether or not a person turns to Christ for eternal life. Any sin the believer commits after salvation is handled as a family matter (Hebrews 12:4-11). The believer will be disciplined as a child of God in time for willful sin, and he will lose eternal rewards as a result of neglecting his spiritual life, but he cannot lose eternal life.
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