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Old 08-10-2013, 06:38 PM
 
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Let's see. Either Jesus was mistaken or the OP is mistaken. Which seems more likely?
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Old 08-10-2013, 06:41 PM
 
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By saying 'heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away' was emphasizing that neither would God's home [ heaven ] stop existing, Nor would earth stop existing.- The Earth abides forever- Ecc. 1 v 4 B.
see also: Psalms 78 v 69 B; 93 v 1 B; 96 v 10; 104 vs 5,35; 1st Chronicles 16 v 30; Jeremiah 10 vs 11,12; Isaiah 45 v 18
That 'day' of Matthew 24 v 36 comes unexpectedly or by surprise [ 1st Thess. 5 vs 2,3 ] as a thief in the night.

As in the days of Noah [ Matthew 24 v 37 ]. We know from Scripture that the end came in Noah's day as hard and swift.
The end at Sodom and Gomorrah also came hard and swift.
So, the pattern of ' in the days of Noah ' the great tribulation[ Rev 7 v 14 ] would then come hard and swift, not years.
The notion of having an earth will be forever but not this one as we know it. The new earth will have no sea as Revelation says. So God will have an earth forever and a people because He loves to share but the next one will be different.
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Old 08-10-2013, 06:48 PM
 
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By saying 'heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away' was emphasizing that neither would God's home [ heaven ] stop existing, Nor would earth stop existing.- The Earth abides forever- Ecc. 1 v 4 B.
see also: Psalms 78 v 69 B; 93 v 1 B; 96 v 10; 104 vs 5,35; 1st Chronicles 16 v 30; Jeremiah 10 vs 11,12; Isaiah 45 v 18
That 'day' of Matthew 24 v 36 comes unexpectedly or by surprise [ 1st Thess. 5 vs 2,3 ] as a thief in the night.

As in the days of Noah [ Matthew 24 v 37 ]. We know from Scripture that the end came in Noah's day as hard and swift.
The end at Sodom and Gomorrah also came hard and swift.
So, the pattern of ' in the days of Noah ' the great tribulation[ Rev 7 v 14 ] would then come hard and swift, not years.
QUESTION:

What does any of that have to do with the Second Coming of Jesus within his generation?
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Old 08-10-2013, 06:49 PM
 
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Matt 24:34 "Amen I say to you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.


Are you really claiming that Jesus didn't know what the word "this" meant?
I am telling you that you don't know what Jesus meant when He said 'this generation'.

Furthermore, you don't even want to know. You are simply attempting to discredit Christianity.
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Old 08-10-2013, 06:52 PM
 
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Let's see. Either Jesus was mistaken or the OP is mistaken. Which seems more likely?
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Look out the window. If the world is still here, then the OP was correct and Jesus was wrong. Simple.

(Or more accurately the writers who wrote the tale about fifty years after Jesus's death were wrong. Jesus never wrote anything.)
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Old 08-10-2013, 06:56 PM
 
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I am telling you that you don't know what Jesus meant when He said 'this generation'.

Furthermore, you don't even want to know. You are simply attempting to discredit Christianity.
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If I'm to have any faith in the Bible at all, I'd have to believe that Jesus meant what he said.

And I know what "This generation" and "Some of those standing here" means. Don't you?

I just go by the facts of history. I also can generally tell the difference between history and folklore. Can't you?
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Old 08-10-2013, 07:04 PM
 
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The notion of having an earth will be forever but not this one as we know it. The new earth will have no sea as Revelation says. So God will have an earth forever and a people because He loves to share but the next one will be different.
True, Revelation says at 21 v 1 there ' no more sea ' but what ' sea ' is Revelation revealing to us ?
Please notice Revelation 17 vs 1 B and verse 15 because there ' water' is not literal water but ' people ' likened to water.
Isaiah 57 vs 20,21 the ' wicked ' people mentioned there are likened to a troubled sea.
So, the 'water' or 'sea' of Rev 21 v 1 is the 'troubled sea of wicked humanity' and Not Earth's literal sea or ocean.
During Jesus 1000-year reign over earth, Jesus will have dominion from 'sea to sea' on Earth.
Please see: Psalm 72 v 8; Zech. 9: 10 B.
Psalm 72 tells us, or provides foregleams of how the mellennial rule of Christ Jesus will relieve mankind from its distresses. Even the Genesis ' tree of life ' is going to appear again according to Revelation 22 v 2.
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Old 08-10-2013, 07:09 PM
 
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What does any of that have to do with the Second Coming of Jesus within his generation?
Matthew 24 has both a minor and a MAJOR fulfillment.
The minor fulfillment came in the year 70 when the Roman armies destroyed Jerusalem and its temple [ house of worship]
Just as Jesus said at Matthew 23 v 38,36 that their religious 'house of worship' would be abandoned by God.

If the time of Jesus' glory '[ Matthew 25 vs 31,32] was in the first century there would have been no need for the apostles to ask Jesus the questions of Matthew 24 v 3. The MAJOR fulfillment is for our day or time frame- Rev. 1 v 10.
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Old 08-10-2013, 07:30 PM
 
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If I'm to have any faith in the Bible at all, I'd have to believe that Jesus meant what he said.

And I know what "This generation" and "Some of those standing here" means. Don't you?

I just go by the facts of history. I also can generally tell the difference between history and folklore. Can't you?
You do not know what Jesus meant. When Jesus said "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." (Matthew 16:28) He was referring to the transfiguration which took place several days later.

And when He referred to 'this generation' in Matthew 24:34 He was referring to the still future Tribulation which He went into detail about when He gave the Revelation to John in 95-96 AD.

No, you don't go by the facts of history, and you don't believe the Bible.
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Old 08-10-2013, 07:39 PM
 
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You do not know what Jesus meant. When Jesus said "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." (Matthew 16:28) He was referring to the transfiguration which took place several days later.
And when He referred to 'this generation' in Matthew 24:34 He was referring to the still future Tribulation which He went into detail about when He gave the Revelation to John in 95-96 AD.
No, you don't go by the facts of history, and you don't believe the Bible.
And the transfiguration was a VISION in connection to the future time of Jesus ' glory '.- Matthew 17 v 9; 25 vs 31,32.

And the time frame of Revelation was Not for the first century but future for our day or time frame. - Rev. 1 v 10.
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