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Your brought it up by complaining that ur's are always harping on hell.
How does believing what we are commanded to teach, that being, Jesus is the saviour of ALL men, give a false hope?
And God will draw Israel under His wing when every knee bows and tongue confesses Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. In other words Fin all Israel will be SAVED, thus Jesus did not miss the mark. You just cannot see the END OF HIS-STORY.
So how can you say Jesus accomplished what He came to do when you do not believe in the salvation of the world? Did Jesus come to save the world? yes or no.
He doesn't believe that Jesus came to save the world. He believes that the son came to save as many as he can from the "eternal wrath" of his father.
It was designed to be just like your thread, but then again, what does all this have to do with the topic of this thread? Your old thread is not the topic here.
It gives the very hope Jesus came here to talk about, the hope of eternal life with Christ. Your beliefs gives false hope, it is a promise made by men, not by Jesus.
No, He accomplished what He came here to do. You created your own mark, and accuse Jesus for missing it, but it doesn't work that way. God creates the goals and the rules, not you.
Is this missing the mark? " How many times have I desired to gather your children, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing!"
Jesus wanted them to come (MANY TIMES), but they refused.
According to your argument it's missing the mark, but that is a false assumption, because Jesus mark was never to force anyone to come.
You've left out the rest of what Jesus said, which is, you will not see me again until ( not unless) you say blessed is he who comes in the name of The Lord.
Your brought it up by complaining that ur's are always harping on hell.
How does believing what we are commanded to teach, that being, Jesus is the saviour of ALL men, give a false hope?
And God will draw Israel under His wing when every knee bows and tongue confesses Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. In other words Fin all Israel will be SAVED, thus Jesus did not miss the mark. You just cannot see the END OF HIS-STORY.
So how can you say Jesus accomplished what He came to do when you do not believe in the salvation of the world? Did Jesus come to save the world? yes or no.
Does Jesus save those of Matthew 12 v 32 who are never forgiven now or in the coming new righteous world of a thousand years ? _______2nd Peter 3 vs 9,13
Does Jesus save those of Hebrews 6 vs 4-6; 10 v 26 ?______
Does Jesus save the haughty 'goats' of Matthew 25 vs 31,32 ?_____
Does Jesus save the ' weed/tares ' of Matthew chapter 13 ?
Are the wicked mentioned at Psalm 92 v 7 saved or destroyed forever?_____
Who ' remains ' according to Proverbs 2 vs 21, 22 ?______
Does God pardon those who end up judged as guilty - Exodus 34 v 7 ?_____
Jesus is the savior of all men who end up putting faith in Jesus and his being ruler of God's kingdom for a thousand years. That is why Matthew 20 v 28 says Jesus' ransom paid the price for MANY and does Not say all.
So, every tongue that is alive at the end of Jesus' messianic millennial reign over earth will be to the praise God.
Your brought it up by complaining that ur's are always harping on hell.
Well, they are. I stated a fact. They are obsessed about hell.
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And God will draw Israel under His wing when every knee bows and tongue confesses Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. In other words Fin all Israel will be SAVED, thus Jesus did not miss the mark. You just cannot see the END OF HIS-STORY.
So, according to your argument He missed the mark by not getting His will, but you say He will make up for it in the future? As of today, He has missed the mark you set for Him. I do not agree with your view.
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So how can you say Jesus accomplished what He came to do when you do not believe in the salvation of the world? Did Jesus come to save the world? yes or no
He came to make salvation available to the world "that the world may be saved through him John 3:17". Who will be saved? Who is the world? "whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life - John 3:16".
I am sorry, I will not help you derail the thread further by discussing ur talking points which have been discussed and debunked to death already on a number of threads.
He doesn't believe that Jesus came to save the world. He believes that the son came to save as many as he can from the "eternal wrath" of his father.
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
This simple truth about salvation through faith is repeated some 200 times in the Bible, so there would be no misunderstanding. Somehow the urs manage to ignore them all.
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
This simple truth about salvation through faith is repeated some 200 times in the Bible, so there would be no misunderstanding. Somehow the urs manage to ignore them all.
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Nothing to do with going to heaven and escaping eternal hell
whoever believes in him shall not perish WILL have eternal life.
This ^^^^^ is what you see when you read this verse that makes you think eternal life is going to heaven
He doesn't believe that Jesus came to save the world. He believes that the son came to save as many as he can from the "eternal wrath" of his father.
Would that not make Jesus and the Father at odds with one another. Would not Jesus be taking away God delight? as God delights in His judgment.
Those of us who believe in the salvation of all understand why God delights in His judgment because we understand that when Gods judgment is in the earth the world will learn rightiousness.
Et'er on the other hand must believe God delights in tormenting people in fire for ever and ever, and yet most of them say that they do not delight in the fact most will burn in Gods judgement.
Does Jesus save those of Matthew 12 v 32 who are never forgiven now or in the coming new righteous world of a thousand years ? _______2nd Peter 3 vs 9,13
Does Jesus save those of Hebrews 6 vs 4-6; 10 v 26 ?______
Does Jesus save the haughty 'goats' of Matthew 25 vs 31,32 ?_____
Does Jesus save the ' weed/tares ' of Matthew chapter 13 ?
Are the wicked mentioned at Psalm 92 v 7 saved or destroyed forever?_____
Who ' remains ' according to Proverbs 2 vs 21, 22 ?______
Does God pardon those who end up judged as guilty - Exodus 34 v 7 ?_____
Jesus is the savior of all men who end up putting faith in Jesus and his being ruler of God's kingdom for a thousand years. That is why Matthew 20 v 28 says Jesus' ransom paid the price for MANY and does Not say all.
So, every tongue that is alive at the end of Jesus' messianic millennial reign over earth will be to the praise God.
YES
and you are ADDDING to scripture by saying Jesus is the saviour of all men who put their faith in Him.
What it actually says is Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL MEN, especially of THOSE THAT BELIEVE.
and you are ADDDING to scripture by saying Jesus is the saviour of all men who put their faith in Him.
What it actually says is Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL MEN, especially of THOSE THAT BELIEVE.
No, he is not adding. The Bible repeats that fact some 200 times.
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life
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Would not Jesus be taking away God delight? as God delights in His judgment.
