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Old 12-28-2013, 07:41 PM
 
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What did Matthew believe at Matthew 20 v 28 ?_____

What did Isaiah write at Isaiah 53 v 11 but that God's servant [ Jesus ] would justify MANY, and does Not say all.
Christ gave Himself a ransom for ALL (mankind). Therefore "God will have all mankind to be saved" (see 1 Timothy 2:4-6).

Jesus gave His soul a ransom for many.
He gave Himself a ransom for ALL.

That's in the Bible.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:42 PM
 
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Would that not make Jesus and the Father at odds with one another. Would not Jesus be taking away God delight? as God delights in His judgment.

Those of us who believe in the salvation of all understand why God delights in His judgment because we understand that when Gods judgment is in the earth the world will learn rightiousness.

Et'er on the other hand must believe God delights in tormenting people in fire for ever and ever, and yet most of them say that they do not delight in the fact most will burn in Gods judgement.
They really haven't thought it through have they?. It is why I find it hard that to believe that any of them really believe in it with any true conviction, but the implication of what it does to their world of faith to acknowledge the absurdity of eternal torment is simply a step of faith they're not willing to take, because it comes with a huge cost.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:42 PM
 
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So, according to your argument He missed the mark by not getting His will, but you say He will make up for it in the future? As of today, He has missed the mark you set for Him. I do not agree with your view.


Have you never read of the firstfruits Fin and what the purpose of the firstfruits is for? They are the promise of the WHOLE HARVEST.

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He came to make salvation available to the world "that the world may be saved through him John 3:17". Who will be saved? Who is the world? "whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life - John 3:16".


Jesus Christ is the savior of ALL MEN, especially of those that BELIEVE.




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I am sorry, I will not help you derail the thread further by discussing ur talking points which have been discussed and debunked to death already on a number of threads.
Huh? The tread is about the salvation of the world, nice try though, are the questions get too tough to answer Fin.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:44 PM
 
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whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

This simple truth about salvation through faith is repeated some 200 times in the Bible, so there would be no misunderstanding. Somehow the urs manage to ignore them all.
Fin ALL shall believe and bow in praise and confess Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:46 PM
 
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What did Matthew believe at Matthew 20 v 28 ?_____

What did Isaiah write at Isaiah 53 v 11 but that God's servant [ Jesus ] would justify MANY, and does Not say all.
Behold the lamb that takes away the sin of the WORLD.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:47 PM
 
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Fin ALL shall believe and bow in praise and confess Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
ALL who are alive at the end of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.

Jesus ransom [ his death for us ] covers MANY according to Matthew 20 v 28 and Not all because all will not believe.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:49 PM
 
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Behold the lamb that takes away the sin of the WORLD.
Yes, Jesus died for ALL.- see 1st John 1 v 7

But because ALL will not end up accepting Jesus MANY will be saved.- Matthew 20 v 28

What happens to those of Psalm 92 v 7 ?______
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:50 PM
 
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No, he is not adding. The Bible repeats that fact some 200 times.

whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life
and ALL shall believe Fin and the scripture actually states it the way I gave it, so in otherwords he ADDED to what the scripture actually says.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:50 PM
 
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Christ gave Himself a ransom for ALL (mankind). Therefore "God will have all mankind to be saved" (see 1 Timothy 2:4-6).
Jesus gave His soul a ransom for many.
He gave Himself a ransom for ALL.
That's in the Bible.
Please post the verses you have in mind. Thanks.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:51 PM
 
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Jesus gave Himself a ransom for all therefore God will have all mankind to be saved (1Tim.2:4-6),
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