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Fair question. Because God's has Mercy and that is why He has not physically blinded us all. One fundamentalist down, any others want to take a crack at why God may have blinded Paul?
You said God FORCES all people to submit to His will, and then you gave one example where it actually happened. How about the other 99.999999999999% of humanity where God has NOT forced them?
If God demanded that everyone submit to Him, He would snap His fingers, and it would be so, but that is obviously not how He operates. He wants people to worship Him out of their own free will. If He forced people to worship Him, it would not be true worship. People were forced to worship Hitler too, but that's not real worship. Few people have been handpicked by God to be His messengers, and Paul was one of those people.
Last edited by Finn_Jarber; 01-02-2014 at 06:10 AM..
Come on trettep,
Can't you answer your own smart asstical question?
time equation in heaven:
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years raised to the ______________ power.
fill in the blank for me. Let us know what is the sufficient time for God to be satisfied for you UR's to have kumbaya
Amen....
Satan is known as the trickster and it is a shame how he manipulates people into playing his mind games.
Praise the Lord for His Holy Spirit who puts the armour of God on His people to discern the tricks of the evil one.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
You said God FORCES all people to submit to His will, and then you gave one example where it actually happened. How about the other 99.999999999999% of humanity where God has NOT forced them?
If God demanded that everyone submit to Him, He would snap His fingers, and it would be so, but that is obviously not how He operates. He wants people to worship Him out of their own free will. If He forced people to worship Him, it would not be true worship. People were forced to worship Hitler too, but that's not real worship. Few people have been handpicked by God to be His messengers, and Paul was one of those people.
Amen, Finn !
Love is not love when it is demanded or forced upon anyone. God desires a genuine love, one who genuinely seeks to worship in Spirit and truth, amen !
A people in whom are after God's own heart As the scripture teaches us that God is seeking for those who long for His love and righteosness, a heart that deeply desires too worship Him in Spirit and truth !
It is a shame when people tempt the Lord God and especially use His precious will, plan for mankind with these ridiculous, ungodly word games.
[quote=pcamps;32830453]But you're also an intelligent man who would have no problem stating what you felt a few would mean in the Grand scheme of things.
This argument of a few being saved conflicts also with the many Paul speaks of in Romans, 5. which to any open minded person would say the few that are entering in,is speaking of something entirely different to the many spoken of in Romans 5
Unless of cause the scribe of Romans changed the word from the few to the many, maybe he was a universalist ?.
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the few were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the few will be made righteous. Romans 5:19
Now according to all fundamentalists we are all sinners fallen short of the glory of a God, so how is it that Paul said that only the many were made sinners and not the all ?, the same many you believe are the few. Either the scripture is wrong or your understanding is, for you both cannot be right holding different positions on the few and many.
I know which one I'm believing being an 100% bible believer......... You've got i, the many are the all, not the few.[/quote
Jesus spoke of the many that want to go to Heaven, that includes all religions. That are more than they that believe on Jesus Christ and follow Him to the end of their life, so the comparison of the many that result in few are reliable, sadly this is a fact..
Now the statement of Paul, the many that will be made sinners does not include all, because a baby that dies is not a sinner, it is innocent.
The same is with the many that are made righteous, that does not mean all, but only them that die in Jesus, only they that believe on Jesus are all made righteous. This are not few , but a multitude, that believed during the dispensation of grace. There is no contradiction between Jesus and Paul, if we interpret the scripture right, the contradictions come by our own interpretations that are according to our doctrine, to twist or ignore scripture, The truth is based on all scripture, we cannot make a doctrine out of one verse, when another one says something else.
Does the Bible support the theory that God forced all people to worship Him?
No. He did not force the fallen angels, He did not force the people at time of Noah, He did not force the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. He will rescue the righteous, and will judge the unrighteous.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. 10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh[c] and despise authority.
Come on trettep,
Can't you answer your own smart asstical question?
time equation in heaven:
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years raised to the ______________ power.
fill in the blank for me. Let us know what is the sufficient time for God to be satisfied for you UR's to have kumbaya
I don't understand your question. Please rephrase it. My question was not intended to be a smartass question. It was meant to provoke a analysis of what is justice. Remember that Jesus said that the unforgiving servant would only pay UNTIL the debt was paid. He never said that the unforgiving servant would pay for eternity.
You said God FORCES all people to submit to His will, and then you gave one example where it actually happened. How about the other 99.999999999999% of humanity where God has NOT forced them?
If God demanded that everyone submit to Him, He would snap His fingers, and it would be so, but that is obviously not how He operates. He wants people to worship Him out of their own free will. If He forced people to worship Him, it would not be true worship. People were forced to worship Hitler too, but that's not real worship. Few people have been handpicked by God to be His messengers, and Paul was one of those people.
Finn_Jarber, it is not 99.9999999999%. It is 100% of Humanity is forced to submit to God. Your perception on how God does that is flawed. God doesn't need to snap His fingers. He can simply expose you to understand the consequences of our contrary natures. By providing that contrast, He is forcing us to come to believe.
Your Hitler analogy doesn't work because God forces us by conversion of our spirit.
Amen....
Satan is known as the trickster and it is a shame how he manipulates people into playing his mind games.
Praise the Lord for His Holy Spirit who puts the armour of God on His people to discern the tricks of the evil one.
Amen, Finn !
Love is not love when it is demanded or forced upon anyone. God desires a genuine love, one who genuinely seeks to worship in Spirit and truth, amen !
A people in whom are after God's own heart As the scripture teaches us that God is seeking for those who long for His love and righteosness, a heart that deeply desires too worship Him in Spirit and truth !
It is a shame when people tempt the Lord God and especially use His precious will, plan for mankind with these ridiculous, ungodly word games.
Yes, God does desire a geniune love. That is a LOVE that ONLY He can give you.
Does the Bible support the theory that God forced all people to worship Him?
No. He did not force the fallen angels, He did not force the people at time of Noah, He did not force the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. He will rescue the righteous, and will judge the unrighteous.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. 10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh[c] and despise authority.
Rom_8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Yes, God does desire a geniune love. That is a LOVE that ONLY He can give you.
Yes, He sure does...
And it is quite obvious in whom He has given His love too !
God's love does not play mind games, trick people, provoking people and tryiny to manipulate them in unloving ways.
Yes, He sure does...
And it is quite obvious in whom He has given His love too !
God's love does not play mind games, trick people, provoking people and tryiny to manipulate them in unloving ways.
Tell me each of these you believe:
1.) God gives life
2.) Each of us that have had the breath of life was given to us for God's Purpose for us.
3.) God doesn't fail
4.) God's purpose for each of us doesn't fail.
5.) God finishes what He started.
6.) God knows the end from the beginning
7.) Salvation is 100% God's Work
8.) God Desires to save everyone.
9.) God desires none to be lost.
10.) God chooses us, we don't choose Him.
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