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how many zeros to add to the equation below to ensure that someone who wasNOT wicked of all shouldNOT be tormented:
NON-Torment time equation:
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years raised to the ______________ power.
In other words because you can't face the reality of this answer, you're more content to ignore it ... hoping that kangaroo-ing around with non-answer answers you can hope that by wanton refusal you can make it go away.
Dear Twin ... why are you going on about this? How is it a relevant question ... do you mind explaining?
But you believe, because it is written in ink, that the God who is love has, and may still, put others -- maybe even you, if you have a child -- to the test of killing their own child to prove their loyalty. I know that cannot be true.
So, I gave you what you asked for: a spiritual truth that has been written in my heart that contradicts a literal reading of the bible. You can stop asking now.
I don't see any contradiction whatsoever. If you said your heart says the story about Abraham and Isaac never took place then there would be a contradiction, but your personal opinion about whether of not God will put more people to the same test is not contradiction, because the Bible does not say God will test others the same way.
I don't see any contradiction whatsoever. If you said your heart says the story about Abraham and Isaac never took place then there would be a contradiction, but your personal opinion about whether of not God will put more people to the same test is not contradiction, because the Bible does not say God will test others the same way.
I don't believe that the God who is love ever asked Abraham or anyone else to sacrifice their child or ever will. That is what is written in my heart. Question answered.
The bible says that God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his son. People, like yourself, believe that to be a literal truth. The spiritual truth, however, is that the God who IS love would never command me to kill my own child to prove my loyalty. That is written in my heart. Is it written in yours?
It is written in my heart. Why would we need the Holy Spirit to RIGHTLY divide the Word if there were no lying scribes (scribblers) ? I think that is the true test of one's heart.
Trettep ... it may be that Abraham really existed, and that he really believed that God commanded him to sacrifice his son. However, how do you reconcile the God who is love and who is life, and the God who is reported to have told the Israelites that the idea of sacrificing children never entered his mind*, with the idea that God commanded the fore-father of the Israelites to sacrifice his child?
*Jer 7:30-31 for reference
One of many examples. Why do we need to be led by the Spirit? Because the letter is not truth. All that is written is not truth. Jesus even testified to that fact. He said all who came before him were liars and thieves/robbers.
Trettep ... it may be that Abraham really existed, and that he really believed that God commanded him to sacrifice his son. However, how do you reconcile the God who is love and who is life, and the God who is reported to have told the Israelites that the idea of sacrificing children never entered his mind*, with the idea that God commanded the fore-father of the Israelites to sacrifice his child?
*Jer 7:30-31 for reference
I think this one is easy to reconcile. God never intended for Abraham to sacrifice his child. Those in Judah at the time did have that in their hearts.
You said universalists do not trust the Bible. I KNOW they do not trust the Bible, so I am in agreement. I also know they believe the authors of the Bible are corrupt and evil.
I agree this is universalist believe, but I do not personally agree that John, Luke, Peter, Paul etc were corrupt or evil, and I will not take anyone seriously who makes such claims. This is why it is impossible for me to take URs seriously. Think about it, they keep quoting people who they believe were evil and corrupt. Does that make sense to you?
I never said any of those people you named were corrupt and evil. I said there were lying scribes and their words found in the scripture. Jesus said the same thing. Do you not believe him?
Dear Twin ... why are you going on about this? How is it a relevant question ... do you mind explaining?
Because trettep claimed it was not asking a smartass question rather "It was meant to provoke a analysis of what is justice" .... ok, then she should answer the provoking analysis question of the opposite. (if intellectual honesty means anything anymore)
The burden is on her to define "until" \ "till" since Jesus did not.
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I never claimed the Spirit and the Bible contradict. I believe they are in sync. The universalists claim there is a contradiction, but they can never provide a single example. Instead they keep quoting from the book which they slam as something written by corrupt, evil and ignorant people. Go figure.....
Finn,
Universalists do not slam all of the scriptures. They simply understand that one must have the leading of the Holy Spirit to know how to divide truth from lies. Did not Jesus warn of lying scribes and false prophets? Did Jesus ever mention holding the BIBLE up as the TRUTH? NO! There was no BIBLE when Jesus was in the world. Do you understand that? Of course your pastor will tell you in a militant voice that the BIBLE is the final authority of all matters of faith and truth and he'll pound it and scream about hell fire.... how else can he have power over people?
Because trettep claimed it was not asking a smartass question rather "It was meant to provoke a analysis of what is justice" .... ok, then she should answer the provoking analysis question of the opposite. (if intellectual honesty means anything anymore)
The burden is on her to define "until" \ "till" since Jesus did not.
Trettep is asking how much punishment you believe is just.
I sincerely don't understand what you are trying to get people to analyze by asking your question? The question doesn't really make sense.
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It is written in my heart. Why would we need the Holy Spirit to RIGHTLY divide the Word if there were no lying scribes (scribblers) ? I think that is the true test of one's heart.
