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My brothers . . . I do think you are talking past each other. RD was answering a question about the presence of the word Hell in scriptures . . . that is all. There was no presentation or discussion of WHAT hell is.
It's a translational error, which causes much confusion.
Therefore, it should never have been written that way.
People with an agenda, interpret it to mean something it does not.
Much like the Latin word; Lucifer! Or, Satan and the devil!
Folks here is a snip from the topic that tells us exactly what is being discussed in this thread
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The topic, and the doctrine that is being presented here is simply the teaching that we are eternally saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, and not by works.
Please stay on this topic only. Personal attacks and snark remarks will be deleted and infracted.
On topic all the way. More to the point why are you not saying this to the poster who is quoting all the hell scriptures he can find in his bible?. To be able to answer the question of the OP, we need to first establish by the scriptures what salvation is and point out what it is unscriptually assumed by those who claim they are bible believers.
The OP did not ask a question. I provided study on the doctrine of salvation for whoever is interested in availing themselves of it.
Reposting the OP below:
Many people reject the Biblical teaching of eternal salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. They reject the fact that we accept God's gift of eternal life by simply accepting His Son's payment for us. In this thread I'm presenting the doctrine of salvation by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, and not by works, as given by Pastor Robert McLaughlin of Grace Bible Church in Somerset, MA. As stated on the website, 'Grace Bible Church is non-denominational, and dedicated to teaching the Word of God from the original languages and making it available at no charge throughout the world.'
The doctrine of salvation by grace through faith in Christ Jesus does not deny the importance of works as a part of the believer's spiritual life in time. But works as a part of the believer's spiritual life are not being addressed here. Whether the believer will have good works is not being addressed here. These are not the topic. The topic, and the doctrine that is being presented here is simply the teaching that we are eternally saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, and not by works.
The OP did not ask a question. I provided study on the doctrine of salvation for whoever is interested in availing themselves of it.
But if what you are basing salvation to be, is to be found fault with, what does the rest of it matter?. Establish by the scriptures what we are saved from then we can address faith and grace and how salvation is worked out in our individual lives.
If you dare to separate Paul's gospel from Jesus' gospel you see two very different out looks.
Jesus said His gospel was to be preached to the world.
Who is Paul to supersede Jesus ?
Jesus specifically designated the Holy Spirit to teach in His place.
Any man can make the claims Paul did, does that make it so?
NO
If grace is so then there should be no more accountability.
Paul' double talk doesn't fly.
Setting aside "the" law, to establish "his own law".
Grace is a term that means to compromise .
I assure you God is not compromising with rebellion.
The foundation of faith starts with repentance, from self govern ,to God govern.
Jesus reprimanded the disciples "Why do you call me Lord, but do not do the things I tell you?"
On an eternal basis ,which do you think is more appropriate, extensive knowledge from man's point of view,, or being obedient to God on a personal level ?
Here in lay the capacity Jesus died to provide, and our examination of his realtime influence. Matthew 7;21,22,23,
But if what you are basing salvation to be, is to be found fault with, what does the rest of it matter?. Establish by the scriptures what we are saved from then we can address faith and grace and how salvation is worked out in our individual lives.
Avail yourself of the study or don't. Your choice. It makes no difference to me either way.
Last edited by Michael Way; 04-27-2014 at 03:22 PM..
Avail yourself of the study or don't. Your choice. I don't care either way.
Mike, i availed myself of what the scriptures teach is salvation,then having established what it is, went on to find out how we experience it in our individual lives.
On topic all the way. More to the point why are you not saying this to the poster who is quoting all the hell scriptures he can find in his bible?.To be able to answer the question of the OP, we need to first establish by the scriptures what salvation is and point out what it is unscriptually assumed by those who claim they are bible believers.
You jumped to another topic when it was pointed out to you that you supported two opposing views. You said the security of salvation is nonsense (doctrine of demons), which can only mean that you think people are either not saved at all, or are saved but lose their salvation. It contradicts your other view which you promote where everyone is saved. You cannot have it both ways.
You jumped to another topic when it was pointed out to you that you supported two opposing views. You said the security of salvation is nonsense (doctrine of demons), which can only mean that you think people are either not saved at all, or are saved but lose their salvation. It contradicts your other view which you promote where everyone is saved. You cannot have it both ways.
Not at all, read my lips, salvation is not being saved from eternal hell, this is why OSAS is a doctrine of demons, it is based upon a lie. Salvation is salvation from ourselves and the hell we create by being carnally minded. Just like Simeon when we become spiritually made alive, we see and experience the salvation of the Lord in our lives and we go in peace. We see throughout the whole bible folk experiencing the salvation of God. It takes a repentant heart which is the work of the kindness and goodness of God in the first place, and for many of us it means repenting from the concept we have of God, the huge issue why the scribes and could not see the salvation of God.
But, none that referrence the type of Hell that the NT seems to refer to...
So now you want to specify which type of hell references you want. You should have specified that in your first post. Just trying to help you out.
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