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The author of Timothy is the apostle Paul. 2 Timothy is the last of Paul's writings and is dated to around A.D.67. Paul regarded what he said and wrote to be the word of God (1 Thessalonians 2:13) as did Peter (2 Peter 3:15-16) who equated Paul's writings as being as authoritative as the rest of the Scriptures which was a reference to the Old Testament Scriptures. Therefore, not only did Paul have in mind the Old Testament Scriptures in 2 Timothy 3:16, but also his own writings.
What a bunch of malarkey!! It is more likely that the authors of the gospels had Paul's letters than the other way around---certainly true of John, and certainly true of most of the other catholic letters. So Paul wasn't even aware of any written gospels nor of those later letters by other, unknown authors. The misguided fundamentalist thought is that once a holy writing was made anywhere, it spread as if over the internet rather than the laborious, time-consuming chore of (1) finding someone who wanted a copy, (2) finding someone who was literate enough to make a copy, and, (3) finding someone who would pay to make a copy. I'm sure some were done for free, but I suspect, like today, not many people would sit down with a borrowed copy ( (4) after finding someone to "loan" a copy) to handwrite out a copy--in the day or at night under candlelight when a single mistake could drip wax on parchment or knock over a candle to cause a burn!
But did Paul have in mind his own writing? Based on the amount of self-promotion shown in them, I certainly agree with that.
" 'Infallibility' means that the original autographs as written by the human writers of the Scriptures under the superintentance of the Holy Spirit are incapable of error and deception and therefore must be true. Since God is truth His word is incapable of being in error. Infallibility therefore implies inerrancy."
However, there are far to many extensive contradictions and errors in Christian scripture to maintain that they were only copyists' errors. The reasonable conclusion is that the Bible is the work of men, not God.
Can you provide some examples? Some actual examples that YOU come up with? Not just a copy/paste jobbie with 30 examples of supposed conflicts. If you'd like to have an actual discussion about it, let's talk.
Can you provide some examples? Some actual examples that YOU come up with? Not just a copy/paste jobbie with 30 examples of supposed conflicts. If you'd like to have an actual discussion about it, let's talk.
No reason to provide a dozen or so examples if you don't intend to consider them anyway. Once a fundamentalist has reached a position, it is frozen in concrete.
A pen is a writing implement used to apply ink to a surface, usually paper, for writing or drawing.
Much like that of a painting, which can inspire you; creating an influence through that of perception.
The discussion is of whether or not God inspired the Scriptures. Yes. He did. They are said to be "God-breathed". So...in light of that...what are you trying to say?
Fundamentalists have recently started making much of the fact that the root of the word that means "inspired" is literally translated, "god breathed." The word was not made up by the writers of the different letters in the Bible to describe the process under which they worked, it was in use by the populace to describe the same thing we describe when we say "inspired" in terms of art or any other recording of history or story, and the "god" being referred to as doing the "breathing" was whichever muse was responsible for the particular art being employed by the person "inspired."
"Inspired" means nothing more than that the artist (or letter writer) was impelled to record what he perceived. There was a social convention that the muse provided the words or the lines of art in each case and that convention was used as a literary device but no one really believed it and there is no indication that anyone using the term meant anything more than the common understanding of the word.
Hi, Paul was not self promoting himself. He was a servant of the Lord and he suffered much for the Lord. He was given tremendous responsibility as an apostle, specifically to the Gentiles.. He loved the Lord and put Him first in all things. I am thankful that we have his inspired writings.
Philippians 3
3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh, 4 although I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else has a mind to put confidence in the flesh, I far more: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee; 6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.
7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, 9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and [f]the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11 in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
12 Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus."
We should have the same attitude.
God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 09-20-2014 at 12:55 PM..
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