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Old 11-21-2014, 04:41 PM
 
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I never reply when the question I've asked is answered with a question.
What's your excuse for not answering?
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have responded to you to begin with. So disregard.
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Old 11-21-2014, 04:43 PM
 
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If you read he entire chapter (Matthew 24) along with the chapter before that, you see clearly that Jesus was foretelling the destruction of the Temple.

"Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished."

This generation being the one he was living at the time.
Yes that it what it literally says. But Jesus is then the stumblingblock if we take it to mean what it literally says.

1Co_1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
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Old 11-21-2014, 05:06 PM
 
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Yes that it what it literally says. But Jesus is then the stumblingblock if we take it to mean what it literally says.

1Co_1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
There's a difference between plain sense interpretation and literal interpretation. When someone says something that is plainly literal, you can't just make it say what you want it to say. We see atheists doing the former to show that the Bible is false, but we see Christians doing the later to show that the the Bible is true. Neither are correct methods of reasoning.
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Old 11-21-2014, 08:43 PM
 
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There's a difference between plain sense interpretation and literal interpretation. When someone says something that is plainly literal, you can't just make it say what you want it to say. We see atheists doing the former to show that the Bible is false, but we see Christians doing the later to show that the the Bible is true. Neither are correct methods of reasoning.
There is a difference between an earthly interpretation and a heavenly one:

Joh_3:12 if the earthly things I said to you, and ye do not believe, how, if I shall say to you the heavenly things, will ye believe?
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Old 11-22-2014, 12:20 AM
 
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There is a difference between an earthly interpretation and a heavenly one:

Joh_3:12 if the earthly things I said to you, and ye do not believe, how, if I shall say to you the heavenly things, will ye believe?
Your have to take things in context. When Jesus says THIS generation shall not pass away, then it's best to interpret just as he said since he was addressing THIS generation. ie. the generation he was addressing at the time. He was not talking about heavenly things until the end. Jesus also lamented over the coming destruction of the physical temple and exclaimed that "no stone would be left on another."
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Old 11-22-2014, 12:21 PM
 
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Your have to take things in context. When Jesus says THIS generation shall not pass away, then it's best to interpret just as he said since he was addressing THIS generation. ie. the generation he was addressing at the time. He was not talking about heavenly things until the end. Jesus also lamented over the coming destruction of the physical temple and exclaimed that "no stone would be left on another."
See I see things differently than you. I see the Apostles as Stones of the New Temple. I see the what the Two Swords mean and why two is enough. These things Jesus said have a Spiritual meaning. For example:

Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Now this is a mystery to many as to why the two swords are enough. Why? - because they look not further to see. I know why it is enough. But those that don't see this spiritual and want to read it in context they are left with confusion on explaining it. So much so that Adam Clarke wrote the following in his commentary on this verse:

"I must here confess that the matter about the swords appear to me very obscure. I am afraid I do not understand it, and I know of none who does. "
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Old 11-22-2014, 01:00 PM
 
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See I see things differently than you. I see the Apostles as Stones of the New Temple. I see the what the Two Swords mean and why two is enough. These things Jesus said have a Spiritual meaning. For example:

Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Now this is a mystery to many as to why the two swords are enough. Why? - because they look not further to see. I know why it is enough. But those that don't see this spiritual and want to read it in context they are left with confusion on explaining it. So much so that Adam Clarke wrote the following in his commentary on this verse:

"I must here confess that the matter about the swords appear to me very obscure. I am afraid I do not understand it, and I know of none who does. "
Two swords... Two Witnesses?
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Old 11-22-2014, 01:01 PM
 
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Two swords... Two Witnesses?
Yes.
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Old 11-23-2014, 09:19 PM
 
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I think the time that He gave is very specific.
While He spoke about the 'season', Christ Himself stated that neither He, nor the angels in heaven, knew the hour (Mk 13:32, Matt. 24:36).

But, let's accept that you are correct.

How does that in any way change the living, daily response God seeks from His people?
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Old 11-23-2014, 11:24 PM
 
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The legend of the katana says that two black smiths prayed for 7 days and nights to learn the design.
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