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Maybe for just a while on this Earth, but I believe there are uncountable Earths with people throughout the universe.
Then how do you reconcile this:
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Since the works of the devil is sin and Jesus came to destroy those works this means that Jesus came to destroy sin.
Furthermore the word there for destroy is to "utterly destroy". That means the sins will be no more. So we read that to mean that Jesus purpose is to make sin exist NO MORE.
The scriptures show that sin is destroyed through righteousness. The only rational conclusion is that Jesus will eradicate sin by the distribution of righteousness to all through His Spirit.
Altthinker, Jesus came for the purpose to destroy sin. The only way to destroy sin is through that acquistion of a nature of righteousness. God will eventually save everyone universally. If any were to be sent to "hell" or a place of eternal torment then Jesus would NOT accomplish the mission to eradicate sin.
The final eradication of all sin happens at the end of the 7000 years. We know the 8th day (symbolic of the day after the 1000 year reign of Christ) is when ALL children will be consecrated to the Father in Heaven. This 8th day is typed in the circumcision of male children on the 8th day after birth.
The Devil is the spirit of disobedience. This term is used to describe the oppositional spirit of man. There is no third entity that exist apart from man called the devil. The Devil is MAN's disobedience. When Jesus was tempted by the Devil in the Wilderness it was His own thoughts trying to cause Him to be disobedient. The fact that Jesus came to destroy sin is a direct assault on the nature of man.
By “final eradication of sin” I presume you mean that there will be no punishment for sin at that point. Since the second resurrection and the white throne judgment come after the 1000 year reign of Christ and (as you say) all sin is eradicated at that time, does that mean that those whose names are not written in the book of life do NOT get thrown into the lake of fire, despite what Revelation says? No one gets punished for what they did, despite what Revelation says? Why bother with a judgment?
Or is it that Luke is right and reward or punishment begins immediately on death?
Also, why is it that devil – the oppositional spirit of man – can get thrown into the lake of fire just like the beast and the false prophet? Or is that metaphor? If so what is the meaning of the metaphor?
By “final eradication of sin” I presume you mean that there will be no punishment for sin at that point. Since the second resurrection and the white throne judgment come after the 1000 year reign of Christ and (as you say) all sin is eradicated at that time, does that mean that those whose names are not written in the book of life do NOT get thrown into the lake of fire, despite what Revelation says? No one gets punished for what they did, despite what Revelation says? Why bother with a judgment?
Or is it that Luke is right and reward or punishment begins immediately on death?
Also, why is it that devil – the oppositional spirit of man – can get thrown into the lake of fire just like the beast and the false prophet? Or is that metaphor? If so what is the meaning of the metaphor?
The eradication of sin can only happen by the putting on of righteousness. And yes the Beast and the False Prophet are manifestations of the sinful nature. That nature will be consumed for the rest of eternity.
What is important for us to learn is that if we don't learn to see sin as horrid then we need to be have obtain that awareness. We need to learn to loathe sin itself and of course its wages which is death. There is no death without sin. Everyone shall be exposed to the Fire of the Holy Spirit.
By “final eradication of sin” I presume you mean that there will be no punishment for sin at that point. Since the second resurrection and the white throne judgment come after the 1000 year reign of Christ and (as you say) all sin is eradicated at that time, does that mean that those whose names are not written in the book of life do NOT get thrown into the lake of fire, despite what Revelation says? No one gets punished for what they did, despite what Revelation says? Why bother with a judgment?
Or is it that Luke is right and reward or punishment begins immediately on death?
Also, why is it that devil – the oppositional spirit of man – can get thrown into the lake of fire just like the beast and the false prophet? Or is that metaphor? If so what is the meaning of the metaphor?
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The eradication of sin can only happen by the putting on of righteousness. And yes the Beast and the False Prophet are manifestations of the sinful nature. That nature will be consumed for the rest of eternity.
What is important for us to learn is that if we don't learn to see sin as horrid then we need to be have obtain that awareness. We need to learn to loathe sin itself and of course its wages which is death. There is no death without sin. Everyone shall be exposed to the Fire of the Holy Spirit.
You did not answer the questions I asked. Does anyone ever go into the lake of fire? If yes, when do they come out? If no, then why does Revelation make such a big deal out of it?
The book of Revelation is full of symbols. Do you ever wonder why it is called a lake of fire?
Notes:
lake= "limen, which comes from Strong’s "[#3040--limen](through the idea of nearness of shore); a pond , a harbor- haven,
All who are cast into God's lake of fire will be there until God brings them out. All that evil and sinful must be destroyed for a higher purpose. As someone has shared, Jesus began His work of propitiation in one lake and He will finish it in another lake.
if you are so inclined please post some of the teachers that you recommend. I guess it's ok to do this. for example, I read a lot of Stephen Jones' work. Great, great teacher with a smooth writing style and thoroughly explained positions.
There are many men who teach it, but unfortunately Jesus Christ did not teach it. This is why it is "doctrine of men".
"These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
Hi, the restoration of all to God through Jesus Christ is revealed in the scriptures. Jesus said that He would draw all men to Himself. He was sent to be the Savior of the world and God never fails in anything He purposes to do. Many believers believe that the teaching of eternal hell and eternal death are doctrines of men.
Eph. 1:9
having made known to us the secret of His will, according to His good pleasure, that He purposed in Himself,
10 in regard to the dispensation of the fulness of the times, to *bring into one the whole in the Christ, both the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth -- in him;
11 in whom also we did obtain an inheritance, being foreordained according to the purpose of Him who the all things is working according to the counsel of His will,
(Young's Literal)
to bring into one=anakephalaioomai=to be reduced to a head or sum total. In the mid voice-to gather together again in one, to reunite under one head (as in Ephesians 1:10) source-Hebrew Greek Key Word Study Bible
In Ephesians 1:10 God is said ἀνακεφαλαιώσασθαι τά πάντα ἐν τῷ Χριστῷ, to bring together again for himself (note the middle) all things and beings (hitherto disunited by sin) into one combined state of fellowship in Christ, the universal bond (cf. Meyer or Ellicott on Ephesians, the passage cited); (Protevangelium Jacobi 13εἰς ἐμέ ἀνεκεφαλαιώθη ἡ ἱστορία Ἀδάμ, where cf. Thilo).
Jesus Christ has the right and the authority to open all eyes and hearts to their need for Him. He has been given the right and power to conquer every soul. He has already said that if He was lifted up, He would draw (drag) all to Himself. Such is the power of God. He is fully able to gain the attention and adoration of all eventually although this process will be painful for carnal man.
"In order for Christ to submerge all men in the death of the sinful flesh, is there any doubt that he must drag them (even if kicking and screaming) to him, to the death that He died?
John 21:11
Simon Peter went up, and (helkuo - dragged) the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.
... we know that fish do nothing but flip-flop helplessly when the Fisherman drags them into his boat. Yes, speaking about his own death, Christ said I will drag all men unto Me. The flesh hates this message. The flesh will scratch, claw and bite like a feral cat from a bath, to get away from dying on the cross. Man has to be dragged to be crucified, but it is nevertheless the judgment of the world, so it's inevitable."
You did not answer the questions I asked. Does anyone ever go into the lake of fire? If yes, when do they come out? If no, then why does Revelation make such a big deal out of it?
The lake of fire is the Fire of the Holy Spirit. Everyone goes in. Therefore, the lake of fire is metaphorical. If you recall God makes His ministers "flames of fire".
Heb_1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
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