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Old 02-23-2015, 01:17 PM
 
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I believe your post is in keeping with the words in John 7:[17] If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

When I disagree with someone else on doctrine, I believe it behooves me to pray for God to show me anywhere I am not in tune with His will, that if I am not doing His will, I will not be able to assume that my doctrine is right. But if I'm doing His will, then Jesus says I SHALL KNOW OF THE DOCTRINE WHETHER IT IS OF GOD.
Praise God for the wisdom He has given you Robert M Prince, and thank you for sharing it here for the advancement of the Gospel
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:18 PM
 
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My mistake. You both are preaching the same thing as the ticket.
There are two tickets on that website, a free ticket to hell and a free ticket to heaven.
I guess you've already chosen which one to use.
I already know I am hard headed lol. I am asking you to pray and ask God that whoever is wrong will be shown their error, I will do the same. For my sake if I am wrong and for your sake if you are wrong.

Here, let my wisdom guide you.

My mistake, but.... is not an apology.

Rather take responsibility for your error, you wish to drag me into a debate about a ticket.

What's with the ticket? Turn that whole preaching lens around will you? Perhaps you do not read what you write and prefer the copy and paste method.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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Here, let my wisdom guide you.

My mistake, but.... is not an apology.

Rather take responsibility for your error, you wish to drag me into a debate about a ticket.

What's with the ticket? Turn that whole preaching lens around will you? Perhaps you do not read what you write and prefer the copy and paste method.
It was my mistake for thinking wrongly that it was you who posted it. For that I apologize.
But whether or not it was you who posted it, your gospel is the exact same.
Your free ticket to heaven is called the sinners prayer. Which, without the continued attitude of repentance and obedience to God is worthless.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:32 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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I believe the words of John 233 agree with the words of the Apostles who said in Acts 5:32 that God gives the Holy Ghost to THOSE WHO OBEY HIM.

Multitudes of people who believe in eternal security believe that Jesus does not require us to obey Him. But He says in at least two places in John 14 that if we love Him we will OBEY HIM.

And He says in Luke 6:[46] And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

And His last words before He ascended back to be with His Father are recorded in Matt. 28:[20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:42 PM
 
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I believe the words of John 233 agree with the words of the Apostles who said in Acts 5:32 that God gives the Holy Ghost to THOSE WHO OBEY HIM.
The Holy Spirit (Comforter) is available to us ALL, Robert. Obeying His guidance is up to us. Too many of us do not.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:52 PM
 
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It was my mistake for thinking wrongly that it was you who posted it. For that I apologize.
But whether or not it was you who posted it, your gospel is the exact same.
Your free ticket to heaven is called the sinners prayer. Which, without the attitude of repentance and obedience to God, is worthless.
What gospel am I preaching to you? I am interested since you pin me so closely to it.

You align me with someone I am unfamiliar with. You take me to task for Mikes views. You are having your debate with another poster(Mike), by proxy (me). You see that, yes?
Your apology is without humility.

Again you reduce faith to a ticket. I did not create the analogy ,yet you are trying very hard to make it mine. Am I expected to deny these tickets three times before dawn? Stop with the tickets already.

In truth, it is your belief about these tickets. These tickets seem to mean something to you, as you keep referring to them.

This ticket is so valuable you gave it a name. Your ticket is called Sinners Prayer.

I suppose Fluffy might not have the same thunderous effect.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:54 PM
 
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The Holy Spirit (Comforter) is available to us ALL, Robert. Obeying His guidance is up to us. Too many of us do not.
Then they will face even harsher punishment than unbelievers.

Hebrew 10
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Then they will face even harsher punishment than unbelievers.

Hebrew 10
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Amazing that there are still people treading this planet who believe that superstitious nonsense.
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Old 02-23-2015, 02:01 PM
 
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What gospel am I preaching to you? I am interested since you pin me so closely to it.

You align me with someone I am unfamiliar with. You take me to task for Mikes views. You are having your debate with another poster(Mike), by proxy (me). You see that, yes?
Your apology is without humility.

Again you reduce faith to a ticket. I did not create the analogy ,yet you are trying very hard to make it mine. Am I expected to deny these tickets three times before dawn? Stop with the tickets already.

In truth, it is your belief about these tickets. These tickets seem to mean something to you, as you keep referring to them.

This ticket is so valuable you gave it a name. Your ticket is called Sinners Prayer.

I suppose Fluffy might not have the same thunderous effect.
The gospel that all we have to do is say a prayer and believe Jesus is God.
After that, we are free to live however we choose without any possibility of judgement or destruction.
The gospel that, you can forever be a murderer and a thief and a liar and a hateful person and God is perfectly okay with that, that the Kingdom of God is a party for the godless.
The gospel that the Holy Spirit of God is not enough to sanctify and purify man.
The gospel that Saints and sinners are one and the same

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Old 02-23-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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Amazing that there are still people treading this planet who believe that superstitious nonsense.
And what do you believe that is so enlightened?
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