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God said what goes into a mans heart, comes out his mouth.
Easy to see whats in a mans heart in a forum..just read.
yep, many of us stored up bible verses in it for years and did more damage to ourselves and others by them then we could ever know. He always been in the still small voice and always will be.
yep, many of us stored up bible verses in it for years and did more damage to ourselves and others by them then we could ever know. He always been in the still small voice and always will be.
First you use the word "yep"...like you're agreeing with something I said, yet you're not and then in the same breath you're implying the "bible" did damage to man.
Deception is not of God nor is He the author of "confusion".
I suggest you read the words of Jesus and follow Him above all men.
First you use the word "yep"...like you're agreeing with something I said, yet you're not and then in the same breath you're implying the "bible" did damage to man.
Deception is not of God nor is He the author of "confusion".
I suggest you read the words of Jesus and follow Him above all men.
The bible in the wrong hands is a very dangerous instrument....... history bares this out. Hope that does not confuse you too much.
The bible in the wrong hands is a very dangerous instrument....... history bares this out. Hope that does not confuse you too much.
Here are some words of real wisdom---
“Sometimes the Bible in the hand of one man is worse than a whisky bottle in the hand of (another)... There are just some kind of men who - who're so busy worrying about the next world they've never learned to live in this one, and you can look down the street and see the results.”
― ATTICUS FINCH To Kill a Mockingbird
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“Sometimes the Bible in the hand of one man is worse than a whisky bottle in the hand of (another)... There are just some kind of men who - who're so busy worrying about the next world they've never learned to live in this one, and you can look down the street and see the results.”
― ATTICUS FINCH To Kill a Mockingbird
Yes, i have been on a bible bender and it is not a pretty sight.
These supposed scholars and preachers are just trying to drum up business. Church and religion IS A BUSINESS! Think for yourself and treat people the way you would want to be treated. No book is needed!
These supposed scholars and preachers are just trying to drum up business. Church and religion IS A BUSINESS! Think for yourself and treat people the way you would want to be treated. No book is needed!
In the Appendix of the paperback edition of Bart Ehrman's Misquoting Jesus, Ehrman quoting Ehrman actually admits...
"Essential Christian beliefs are not affected by textual variants in the manuscript tradition of the New Testament."
It appears that in your thinking the only REAL New Testament SCHOLAR's are those with whom you agree.
You certainly haven't listened to Dr. Ehrman who, in the lecture you failed to listen to, states exactly what Dr. Wallace does that most mistakes are meaningless.
The difference is where he points out MORE than the Johnneum Comma and the ending of Mark, he points out how scribes "tidied up" numerous verses to make Jesus look better than the oldest manuscripts show Him to be. He further describes the completely different scenes of Jesus' crucifixion in the four gospels. None of them get the number of women at the tomb correct, they differ on whether the tomb is opened or closed upon arrival, and they have different people greeting them at the tomb---two men, one man, an angel?
Mathew 28:2 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it.
Mark 16:4-5 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.
Luke 24:2-4 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them.
John 20:11-12 Now Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus’ body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.
The gospels must be read in parallel to see the different story lines being advanced. If God had "breathed" the words to write into the hearts of these men, He either forgot what He told each of them in turn or wasn't much concerned about consistency. Or, as any reasonable person can see, they are stories with a common source but nothing beyond that to make them straight from Heaven. Indeed, they were straight from men, albeit, men of faith.
Attempting to glorify scripture that is really nothing more than the testimony of different writers about their own understanding of God is a disservice to believers, unbelievers, and most of all illustrates deception of one's own self.
Great faith is shown by those who recognize the flaws in men's writing yet remain unshaken from their own belief---needing no affirmation from a perfect book because the perfect Christ has redeemed them and speaks to them not just from days of old, but even today.
You certainly haven't listened to Dr. Ehrman who, in the lecture you failed to listen to, states exactly what Dr. Wallace does that most mistakes are meaningless.
The difference is where he points out MORE than the Johnneum Comma and the ending of Mark, he points out how scribes "tidied up" numerous verses to make Jesus look better than the oldest manuscripts show Him to be. He further describes the completely different scenes of Jesus' crucifixion in the four gospels. None of them get the number of women at the tomb correct, they differ on whether the tomb is opened or closed upon arrival, and they have different people greeting them at the tomb---two men, one man, an angel?
Mathew 28:2 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it.
Mark 16:4-5 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.
Luke 24:2-4 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them.
John 20:11-12 Now Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus’ body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.
The gospels must be read in parallel to see the different story lines being advanced. If God had "breathed" the words to write into the hearts of these men, He either forgot what He told each of them in turn or wasn't much concerned about consistency. Or, as any reasonable person can see, they are stories with a common source but nothing beyond that to make them straight from Heaven. Indeed, they were straight from men, albeit, men of faith.
Attempting to glorify scripture that is really nothing more than the testimony of different writers about their own understanding of God is a disservice to believers, unbelievers, and most of all illustrates deception of one's own self.
Great faith is shown by those who recognize the flaws in men's writing yet remain unshaken from their own belief---needing no affirmation from a perfect book because the perfect Christ has redeemed them and speaks to them not just from days of old, but even today.
So well said!
Dr. Ehrman NEVER disputes the existence of GOD, the existence of Christ NOR does he ever argue the bible is complete fiction.
He does however say there are some serious FLAWS in the writing of MEN. And some of these serious flaws have lead mere mortals to believe outright lies (though some may be "honest" mistakes, but even these change our view and what we believe or practice)
QUESTIONING any writing purported to represent God is an OBLIGATION we have as people. And that is something EACH of us must do and not rely on some other human to write a commentary and tell us what they think God meant.
When God spoke yesterday, he is speaking to EACH of us.
When God speaks today, he is speaking to EACH of us
When god speaks tomorrow, he is speaking to EACH of us.
God does not speak to a third party and we are told to wait for a translation.
God's word is for all of us, not just those we want to rely on as interpreters...
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