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Old 08-05-2015, 04:36 AM
 
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Jeff, your side is claiming existence of these incredible entities.
And your side is free to not believe it.
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Old 08-05-2015, 06:34 AM
 
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Then stop claiming AS FACT that Satan or God is just imaginary. If that's your opinion, that's fine, but I get really annoyed when it is presented as proven fact. And then you tell me you can't prove a negative.
When have I claimed that God or Satan are imaginary? I do not recall ever stating such a clsim. This time please either supply evidence or retract your clsim. I am getting a bit tired of your claims you make with no evidence to support those claims. Give even one instance where I have claimed that there is no God and that is a proven fact. To be totally honest I do not even believe that no god is a proven fact so why would I even say that.

I do not believe in any gods or demons but I also make a deliberate effort not to name call your god or to say it is only imaginary. To me yours is as real as those other gods so if by saying that and you think that means I am calling yours imaginary the actual meaning is that it must be you putting down the belief in any god but yours. I give them all the same respect which is totally different from giving yours no respect.

Find one instance that I made that claim, retract your claim or do as you often do, if you cannot back it up remain silent on the subject and follow up with another false claim. I get really annoyed when you make false claims about me. Everyone knows you can't prove a negative so whoever requires such a claim is not taken seriously.
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Old 08-05-2015, 06:52 AM
 
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Jeff, your side is claiming existence of these incredible entities.

Your side needs to show they are real. My side equates their reality with Dumbledorf and Rapunzel.
I cant' show that they are real to someone who has a biased interest for them to not be real. It's the same problem with the James Randi challenge. It's in his interest to not accept evidence and pay the money because then he becomes irrelevant and forgotten if he did that.
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Old 08-05-2015, 06:58 AM
 
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I cant' show that they are real to someone who has a biased interest for them to not be real. It's the same problem with the James Randi challenge. It's in his interest to not accept evidence and pay the money because then he becomes irrelevant and forgotten if he did that.
Let me guess, you have 100 proofs for the existence of demonic beings, but you can't give those proofs to us because we are biased.
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Old 08-05-2015, 07:20 AM
 
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Let me guess, you have 100 proofs for the existence of demonic beings, but you can't give those proofs to us because we are biased.
Naw but they are part of my 100 proofs that God exists.
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Old 08-05-2015, 08:56 AM
 
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Then stop claiming AS FACT that Satan or God is just imaginary. If that's your opinion, that's fine, but I get really annoyed when it is presented as proven fact. And then you tell me you can't prove a negative.

Jeff

I am still waiting for any proof that I stated that Satan or God are just imaginary. And you will find zero proof that I claimed there was no God is a proven fact. It is in fact an unproveable claim that there is no God.

In fact about the only time I even talked about Satan was a post that asked about the where abouts of modern day Satan and I said he played for the Oilers.

Miroslav Satan Edmonton Oilers - 2014-2015 Stats - Edmonton Oilers - Team

Not even imaginary but a real life Satan but he pronuounced it Gitan

Still waiting proof, still waiting proof to back your claim.
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Old 08-05-2015, 10:18 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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I cant' show that they are real to someone who has a biased interest for them to not be real. It's the same problem with the James Randi challenge. It's in his interest to not accept evidence and pay the money because then he becomes irrelevant and forgotten if he did that.
But YOU were the one who said you had a hundred proofs, and then would not even sure one.

Remember, if you're using the Bible as a basis of your proof, it becomes a circular argument. You would need to go to an outside source that is verifiable and independent, and you nor any of the other fundamentalist apologists are able to do that.

And by the way, it was not badlander who said you believe in imaginary entities, it was me.

Until those imaginary entities are shown to be real, that will continue to be my position. As I stated before, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proved. I take the same position on the existence of gods, demons, angels and other supernatural entities, as I do on fairies, leprechauns, or trolls that live under a bridge.
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Old 08-05-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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But YOU were the one who said you had a hundred proofs, and then would not even sure one.

Remember, if you're using the Bible as a basis of your proof, it becomes a circular argument. You would need to go to an outside source that is verifiable and independent, and you nor any of the other fundamentalist apologists are able to do that.

And by the way, it was not badlander who said you believe in imaginary entities, it was me.

Until those imaginary entities are shown to be real, that will continue to be my position. As I stated before, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proved. I take the same position on the existence of gods, demons, angels and other supernatural entities, as I do on fairies, leprechauns, or trolls that live under a bridge.
Translation - I'll just automatically reject any evidence you present and say it wasn't "extraordinary" enough.
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Old 08-05-2015, 11:41 AM
 
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Translation - I'll just automatically reject any evidence you present and say it wasn't "extraordinary" enough.
You do the same thing when it comes to every supernatural entity other than the Christian God.

For example, you reject "evidence" for the existence of Allah and the truth of Islam.

Your double standard is obvious to everyone but yourself.
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Old 08-05-2015, 11:45 AM
 
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Translation - I'll just automatically reject any evidence you present and say it wasn't "extraordinary" enough.
AH, but many others will READ and CONSIDER and actually ANALYZE what we say..
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