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according to ezekiel 16:49-50, the famous "sins of sodom" were: Arrogance, too much food and comfort, a lack of concern for the poor and needy, etc. There was also sexual sin (rape and violence), but homosexuality itself is not identified.
that is there homosexuality really gets its narcissistic start AND in such societies.
BUT IT IS JUST FOR STARTERS..
IT IS NEVER WHERE IT ENDS UP ..
Jude verse 7; In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
So what do the scriptures say about those immoral perverts of Sodom? it is recorded that they refused the offer of Lots two virgin daughters, and they only wanted to rape Lot and his two visitors.
I don't know what you call the act of men sodomizing other men, but the universal dictionary defines Homosexual as; "Of or pertaining to sexual relations between persons of the same sex."
You say that the messengers were already coming to destroy S&G before the incident with the entire populous of the city, which didn’t seem to include Gamorah… But No! the messengers were only going down to Sodom to see if the accusations against them were true, of which they were convinced when the male inhabitants wanted to rape them.
The inhabitants of Gomorrah were as immoral and sexually depraved as the population of Sodom according to Genesis 18: 20; where it is written; "Then the LORD said to Abraham, “The outcry against Sodom AND GOMORRAH is great. Because their sin is so grievous, etc.
Hi there Romulus, It might be in your own best interests to do some research on what the scriptures say about the defilement of the Canaanites, which includes the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah and their surrounding towns
You write that they became 'defiled' because ‘IN ALL LIKELIHOOD’ they worshiped man-made images rather than the one true God.
Well, we are not particularly interested in the erroneous opinions of one who appears to be obsessed in defending the men of Sodom, who attempted to rape Lot and his two male Visitors.
You only know about the destruction of the Canaanite cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and their surrounding towns, because of what is recorded in the scriptures, and those scriptures do not say that the Canaanites became 'defiled' because they worshiped man-made images rather than the one true God, as you would have others believe, in your ignorance to the truths as revealed in scripture, and your defense of the Sodomites.
Here is what the scriptures of which you have proven yourself to be ignorant of, reveal that which had defiled the inhabitants of the land of Canaan…..Leviticus 18: 22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination. 23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is perversion. 24; Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because ‘THIS IS HOW THE NATIONS THAT I AM GOING TO DRIVE OUT BEORE YOU, BECAME DEFILED.’
How do the scriptures say that the Canaanites defiled themselves???????
Alright, let’s get one thing straight from the get-go, Anointed. I have absolutely no interest in the ‘Sodomites’ as you call them (the Bible never refers to them by that name) because I DON”T BELIEVE FOR ONE MOMENT THAT THE STORY OF LOT, THE ANGELS AND THE PEOPLE OF SODOM BEATING A PATH TO LOT’S DOOR EVER HAPPENED!!
Are we clear?
So, what I AM doing here is playing ‘the devil’s advocate’. While I don’t believe the story ever occurred I am going along with mainstream Christianity’s belief that it DID actually occur for the sake of argument since this story is MOSTLY cherry-picked for the SOLE PURPOSE of demeaning and vilifying gay people. Otherwise I wouldn’t waste my time on it.
Yes, I DID say, “In all likelihood they worshiped man-made images rather than the one true God.” But, if it helps I’ll change that to, “They worshiped man-made images rather than the one true God.” Is that better?
So, how come I believe this and how come I believe that idol worship would cause God to turn red in the face, throw a hissy fit and destroy the cities and their inhabitants, inhabitants that would have included children, babies and animals? Elementary, my dear Anointed …I let Ezekiel do the explaining which he does quite well. As has already been pointed out to you, Ezekiel Chapter 16:49-50 tells us:
49 Behold this was the iniquity of Sodom your sister: pride, abundance of bread, and careless ease were hers and her daughters', and she did not strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
50 And they became haughty and did abomination before me, and I removed them when I saw.
What ARE these ‘abominations’ Ezekiel speaks of? Well, besides various other passages where Ezekiel speaks to the matter of 'abominations' - such as Ezekiel 5:11; 22:3, 22:4; 23:7 - read Ezekiel 8:1-18 in its entirety where he speaks of ‘abominations in the temple’. If you didn’t know what ‘abominations’ were within the context of ‘worship’ and 'defiling' before you read this passage ...you soon will. These ‘abominations’ all refer to idolatry and affiliated worship practices of the people, worship dedicated to graven images as well as the sun and the moon …something that God detests. Read up on these ‘abominations’, Anointed, and also apply them to Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 while you're at it.
Are you beginning to get the picture regarding 'abominations' that are personally offensive to God, Anointed? Are you beginning to realize that your attempts to 'one-up' others on this topic are a waste of your time and only serve to highlight your ignorance on the subject matter? All I am doing is getting my information on Sodom and Gomorrah and other ancient cities that created upset for God solely from the Bible.
Genesis 6:5 5The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.
and then you don't believe that one either...
and so we can with all certainty say that you just "don't believe " any of it .
then stop tell Christians or Jews, what it means.. Because it means nothing to you. and you then defile it with your opinions.. and you have thus no right to form an opinion of it.
because you are no expert of it .. in him or of him or them who wrote it....
yet I find no lies in it.
and you condone woman face as if it it isn't hate and bigotry against real women!!
Genesis 6:5 5The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.
So, who is at fault for this situation ...the created or 'the Creator'?
So, who is at fault for this situation ...the created or 'the Creator'?
you are making the choice to defile everything, not him.. He has an answer to that kind of militant defiling of all things being done here and in this time.. he has only chosen to redeem what can be redeemed, in spite of men and their evil hearts ( gen 6 ^^^)..
and as man your choices is also not his fault! as he is a man also.. his choices are not your doing either....
you have chosen defilement... just exactly as Sodom and Gomorrah did .. your very statements here and your choices prove Sodom and Gomorrah happened exactly as described.
The word most often translated "sexual immorality" is porneia. This word is also translated as whoredom, fornication, and idolatry. And the main distinction is between married and unmarried people. Whenever you mix sex with violence against an unwilling participant you do not have homosexuality, you have RAPE.
So, who is at fault for this situation ...the created or 'the Creator'?
You know the laws of the land and the penalty for breaking those laws. If you choose to break those laws, and are found to be guilty of so doing, who do you hold responsible for the punishment that you receive?
The word most often translated "sexual immorality" is porneia. This word is also translated as whoredom, fornication, and idolatry. And the main distinction is between married and unmarried people. Whenever you mix sex with violence against an unwilling participant you do not have homosexuality, you have RAPE.
Whenever [Males] mix sex with violence against an unwilling male participant, it is not heterosexual rape my friend, it is homosexual rape. Or are you totally ignorant as to the definition of the word 'Homosexual' which means, 'sex with a member of your own gender.'
So, who is at fault for this situation ...the created or 'the Creator'?
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Originally Posted by The Anointed
You know the laws of the land and the penalty for breaking those laws. If you choose to break those laws, and are found to be guilty of so doing, who do you hold responsible for the punishment that you receive?
The 'quote' by God was not too long after recorded biblical history. It seems like 'the Maker' didn't do a good enough job in His design of beings that He intended to be 'perfect'.
What d'you think?
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