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It would be nice to let people know who you are responding to, wouldn't it?
But if it is to me that your post is directed, let me assure you that the scriptures appear to agree that the Moabites and the Ammonites are fair game as enemies because of the circumstances of the birth of their founders
Jubilees 16: 7; And, in like manner, God will execute judgment on the places where they have done according to the uncleanness of the Sodomites, like unto the judgment of Sodom. But Lot we saved; for God remembered Abraham, and sent him out from the midst of the overthrow. And he and his daughters committed sin upon the earth, such as had not been on the earth since the days of Adam till his time; for the man lay with his daughters. And, behold, it was commanded and engraven concerning all his seed, on the heavenly tablets, to remove them and root them out, and to execute judgment upon them like the judgment of Sodom, and to leave no seed of the man on earth on the day of condemnation.
Yes, sorry, I thought it would muddy things to quote that whole mess, but I should have just quoted a piece of it. I posted right after you.
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[color="Navy"]I'm a tad embarrassed for you that this story has so affected you, Anointed. You're really angry with your 'Sodomites', aren't you? It IS just a story. Do other works of fiction affect you similarly? You appear to have some inner issues that are beyond my expertise to address. Just believe the fiction that you choose to believe but please lay off taking on others who are clearly better equipped with Bible savvy to handle these scriptures as they are meant to be handled. Meanwhile, just try to settle down and get it into your head that these 'Sodomites' of yours are not coming to get you and yours ...
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No mate, I am not angry with the Sodomites who, you defend, God put an end to them, as did Burt Reynolds inflict justice on the inbred Hill-Billy sodomite who raped his mate. And you just continue to delude yourself in thinking that you are savvy enough to debate scripture with the likes of myself. That laughter you hear in the distance, that's me. Fancy thinking that there were no witnesses to the event that occurred around Sodom, Gomorrah and their surrounding towns
Burt Reynolds didn’t “inflict justice†on a hillbilly. He was an actor, playing a part, in a work of fiction. I find it ironic that you compared the Sodom story to a modern-day fictional story in response to Romulus’ question. Unless you are acknowledging that it was also fiction?
No, you are not being in the least logical, considering that the two daughters of Lot, who had witnessed all that had occurred from when the Sodomites tried to break down the door of their home in order to rape their father and his two visitors, their escape to the mountains, the loss of their mother, the rape of their father, would have relayed the entire story to their descendants. Wake up to yourself man,
No mate, I am not angry with the Sodomites who, you defend, God put an end to them, as did Burt Reynolds inflict justice on the inbred Hill-Billy sodomite who raped his mate. And you just continue to delude yourself in thinking that you are savvy enough to debate scripture with the likes of myself. That laughter you hear in the distance, that's me. Fancy thinking that there were no witnesses to the event that occurred around Sodom, Gomorrah and their surrounding towns
Then you continue to smile while I laugh at your illogical statements. No witnesses indeed, Ha, Haa Haaa.
If that’s not a deluded statement then I don’t know what is.
If that’s not a deluded statement then I don’t know what is.
If you don't know what a deluded statement is, then you must not have read the post of Romulus, which said as follows.
"I'm responding to what is no more than a story, Anointed, which is why I feel entitled to apply an amount of levity. An account of a historical event normally has to have a surviving witness to account for the event. So, who was in the cave to record this event with Lot and his randy daughters? Who was it that ran with them when they fled Sodom and witnessed Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt? We're told in scripture that it was only Lot and his two daughters who survived. There is no 4th person mentioned. Or, am I again being too logical (donning my Mr. Spock ears) for you? Seriously, have you actually read this story through the eyes of logic?"
How ignorant to the scriptures can a person be, to think that the daughters of Lot, who had witnessed the immoral sexual perverted Sodomites threating to rape the men in their house, had witnessed their escape from the town of Sodom, the loss of their mother, and the girls rape of their father because they believed that he was the sole surviving male in the whole world, would not have related that story to their sons, Moab and Ammon, the founders of the Moabite and Ammonite nations. And you think that person is not deluded in thinking that they could even debate the Holy Scriptures with one of my grand-children.
I believe that anyone who thinks that person is not deluded, must be deluded themselves.
If you don't know what a deluded statement is, then you must not have read the post of Romulus, which said as follows.
"I'm responding to what is no more than a story, Anointed, which is why I feel entitled to apply an amount of levity. An account of a historical event normally has to have a surviving witness to account for the event. So, who was in the cave to record this event with Lot and his randy daughters? Who was it that ran with them when they fled Sodom and witnessed Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt? We're told in scripture that it was only Lot and his two daughters who survived. There is no 4th person mentioned. Or, am I again being too logical (donning my Mr. Spock ears) for you? Seriously, have you actually read this story through the eyes of logic?"
How ignorant to the scriptures can a person be, to think that the daughters of Lot, who had witnessed the immoral sexual perverted Sodomites threating to rape the men in their house, had witnessed their escape from the town of Sodom, the loss of their mother, and the girls rape of their father because they believed that he was the sole surviving male in the whole world, would not have related that story to their sons, Moab and Ammon, the founders of the Moabite and Ammonite nations. And you think that person is not deluded in thinking that they could even debate the Holy Scriptures with one of my grand-children.
I believe that anyone who thinks that person is not deluded, must be deluded themselves.
If you don't know what a deluded statement is, then you must not have read the post of Romulus, which said as follows.
"I'm responding to what is no more than a story, Anointed, which is why I feel entitled to apply an amount of levity. An account of a historical event normally has to have a surviving witness to account for the event. So, who was in the cave to record this event with Lot and his randy daughters? Who was it that ran with them when they fled Sodom and witnessed Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt? We're told in scripture that it was only Lot and his two daughters who survived. There is no 4th person mentioned. Or, am I again being too logical (donning my Mr. Spock ears) for you? Seriously, have you actually read this story through the eyes of logic?"
How ignorant to the scriptures can a person be, to think that the daughters of Lot, who had witnessed the immoral sexual perverted Sodomites threating to rape the men in their house, had witnessed their escape from the town of Sodom, the loss of their mother, and the girls rape of their father because they believed that he was the sole surviving male in the whole world, would not have related that story to their sons, Moab and Ammon, the founders of the Moabite and Ammonite nations. And you think that person is not deluded in thinking that they could even debate the Holy Scriptures with one of my grand-children.
Hmmm . . .that 'explanation' as supposedly given to Lot's grandchildren is likely no less fiction than the actual Bible story. Where do you come up with this stuff? And, why are you taking this so personally and making me the target of your wrath???
Hmmm . . .that 'explanation' as supposedly given to Lot's grandchildren is likely no less fiction than the actual Bible story. Where do you come up with this stuff? And, why are you taking this so personally and making me the target of your wrath???
Sorry mate, but it was you who were insinuating that I was deluded in my truthful account of what is recorded in the bible, and I do not attack you personally, I was merely pointing out that you have proven yourself to be unable to comprehend those scriptures, by thinking for one moment, that the two mothers of the Moabite and the Ammonite nations, would not have related to their descendants, the account of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and their surrounding villages, and the subsequent events that led to the birth of those nations, of which they were the reliable witnesses.
You said, that 'explanation' as supposedly given to Lot's grandchildren is likely no less fiction than the actual Bible story.
But not only do you not believe the bible, in your ignorance to the same, you said that there were no witnesses to the event, who were able to recount the events to Lot's grandchildren, who were the children of the two daughter who had witnessed the whole thing.
Now whether you believe that story to be true or not, what made you think that according to the story, (Fact or fiction) there were no witnesses to that historical event?
What was it that blinded you to the fact, that according to the story (Fact or fiction) the two daughters of Lot were witnesses to the entire event?
Sorry mate, but it was you who were insinuating that I was deluded in my truthful account of what is recorded in the bible, and I do not attack you personally, I was merely pointing out that you have proven yourself to be unable to comprehend those scriptures, by thinking for one moment, that the two mothers of the Moabite and the Ammonite nations, would not have related to their descendants, the account of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and their surrounding villages, and the subsequent events that led to the birth of those nations, of which they were the reliable witnesses.
You said, that 'explanation' as supposedly given to Lot's grandchildren is likely no less fiction than the actual Bible story.
But not only do you not believe the bible, in your ignorance to the same, you said that there were no witnesses to the event, who were able to recount the events to Lot's grandchildren, who were the children of the two daughter who had witnessed the whole thing.
Now whether you believe that story to be true or not, what made you think that according to the story, (Fact or fiction) there were no witnesses to that historical event?
What was it that blinded you to the fact, that according to the story (Fact or fiction) the two daughters of Lot were witnesses to the entire event?
Do you wear dark glasses when reading the bible?
Well, you got the better of me on that one, Anointed. There were 3 witnesses to the Sodom (and the cave) event. I stand corrected. I still don't believe the story told of an actual event, however, so I can't really offer an apology for being wrong.
Well, you got the better of me on that one, Anointed. There were 3 witnesses to the Sodom (and the cave) event. I stand corrected. I still don't believe the story told of an actual event, however, so I can't really offer an apology for being wrong.
You were wrong to state that in the story, which YOU believe to be pure fiction, there were no witnesses to that event which YOU believe is a fictitious story, when everyone knows that there were witnesses to that event, which YOU believe was fictitious.
So, I await your apology for being wrong according to the story that YOU believe to be fictitious.
How you came to believe that there were no witnesses to that event, which you believe was fictitious, is beyond belief.
Sorry old mate, but I'm an old street fighter: "Never let em up once you've got em down."
You were wrong, but you simply refuse to offer an apology for being wrong.
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