Why didn't Jesus address homosexuality? (Buddhism, Leviticus, myths, scriptures)
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I think Jesus did say people like gays are born that way in Matthew 19.
Mathew 19: 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
I am a person with same sex attraction but it is doubtful I was born that way. Yet with people of same sex attraction as well as everyone was born as sinners...Only Jesus is the best hope for everyone despite their background.
Mathew 19: 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
I am a person with same sex attraction but it is doubtful I was born that way. Yet with people of same sex attraction as well as everyone was born as sinners...Only Jesus is the best hope for everyone despite their background.
If you think you weren't born "that way," what/when did you realize you were tilting in that direction?
And why do you think your God wanted you to feel as you do?
This is true in the minds of most people, but again, it is because of a mininterpretation of the intent at least in the NT. Under the OT "sin" is defined as breaking the law, and people maintain that idea under the New Covenant, but the paradigm has shifted and a new definition is in order, where "missing the mark" is about the new standard of concern for the well-being of everyone, or agape love that is the new basis for action and judgement.
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It is NOT about a list of "bad," it is about what is in our hearts.
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Maybe you missed MY point: You said those verses refuted my claim of a paradigm shift from law to love as basis for conduct and judgement. The ONLY way it would do so is if those evildoers were acting out of love. They were NOT, paradigm shift stands. Judgement is about what is in their hearts.
"Missing the mark" is not about not having agape love as being some new standard in the NT as you originally stated which Jesus' words make clear to the contrary. For the unbeliever God's perfect Law will condemn such person whether they found them-self in the OT or the in NT.
It is not possible to have the one without the other ... evil actions are the fruits of an evil heart. That is why God's Word states that judgement is also based on a person's actions as well as the heart.
"... wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually
immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the
greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
and
"Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death,
they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."
If you think you weren't born "that way," what/when did you realize you were tilting in that direction?
And why do you think your God wanted you to feel as you do?
I can't describe when I was in the direction of same sex attraction. Of course as a young child I never had sexual attractions of anyone but of course I thought of guys being good looking but the thought of homosexual activities was alien to me. All this changed when I accidently stumbled on porn when I was around 8 or 9 years old and from there I was more excited on the men there.
As a same sex attracted man I will even commit sin if I look lustfully at a pornographic image or at another man. For straights it is looking lustfully at someone of the opposite sex.
Of course being gay and being active homosexual (even if looking lustfully at someone of the same sex) are 2 different things. One is not a sin and the other is. I used to be an active homosexual and it is due to the sin in my life. Romans 1:24
Mathew 19: 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
I am a person with same sex attraction but it is doubtful I was born that way. Yet with people of same sex attraction as well as everyone was born as sinners...Only Jesus is the best hope for everyone despite their background.
We learn from Bible that Jesus was tempted in every way and yet did not sin.
" For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has beentemptedineveryway, just as we are—yet he did not sin."
Faith in Jesus is the only hope, for to rely on our power to flee from sin we will most surely fail.
If you think you weren't born "that way," what/when did you realize you were tilting in that direction?
And why do you think your God wanted you to feel as you do?
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I can't describe when I was in the direction of same sex attraction. Of course as a young child I never had sexual attractions of anyone but of course I thought of guys being good looking but the thought of homosexual activities was alien to me. All this changed when I accidentally stumbled on porn when I was around 8 or 9 years old and from there I was more excited on the men there.
You can bet your life that however you felt and feel millions of others throughout the world felt and feel the same way as you did and do. No one has feelings that are unique to them alone.
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As a same sex attracted man I will even commit sin if I look lustfully at a pornographic image or at another man. For straights it is looking lustfully at someone of the opposite sex.
Okay, here's one for you. Tell me, what is the difference between being sexually attracted to someone and lusting after them? Can you or someone else answer that question?
I often read between the lines when it comes to quotes by Jesus. Jesus would have known that He was asking the impossible here. And so, this statement (if Jesus actually made such a statement at all) would likely have been intended for the opponents of His who appeared to follow Him around with their air of superiority and piety. In other words, Jesus to them, "Don't you guys go pointing the finger at others for doing the wrong thing when YOUR very similar thoughts condemn YOU!"
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Of course being gay and being active homosexual (even if looking lustfully at someone of the same sex) are 2 different things. One is not a sin and the other is. I used to be an active homosexual and it is due to the sin in my life. Romans 1:24-27
I don't follow. Unless you are performing sexual rituals with shrine temple prostitutes and participating in pagan idolatry ...WHY are you quoting Romans 1 at all? Has someone been feeding you their anti-gay agenda and fooling you into feeling guilty about something that you should perhaps NOT be feeling guilty about in the first place?
Mathew 19: 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
There should be a universal ban on this passage of scripture being used to demean gay people. I'm not kidding! I realize that this passage is the only piece of 'weaponry' that religious anti-gays can come up with since Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. But ...REALLY! Jesus is addressing a question asked of Him about about divorce between a male and female and THAT being a 'no-no'. This passage is NOT talking about - and should not even be SUGGESTED in any way, shape or form as talking about - homosexuality!
So, to the guilty ones, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ...STOP ALREADY!!
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I am a person with same sex attraction but it is doubtful I was born that way.
So, are you faking your sexuality? Are you actually a deviant heterosexual whose sole intent in life is to p--s off conservative Christians?
I don't know. I'm just asking.
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Yet with people of same sex attraction as well as everyone was born as sinners...Only Jesus is the best hope for everyone despite their background.
You DO realize, don't you, that there ARE many Christians and Christian Churches, i.e. Bible-believing Christ-followers, that welcome gay people into their fold ...'AS IS'?
I'm thinking that the 'fundies' might have been doing a number on you . . .
[color="Navy"]There should be a universal ban on this passage of scripture being used to demean gay people. I'm not kidding! I realize that this passage is the only piece of 'weaponry' that religious anti-gays can come up with since Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. But ...REALLY! Jesus is addressing a question asked of Him about about divorce between a male and female and THAT being a 'no-no'. This passage is NOT talking about - and should not even be SUGGESTED in any way, shape or form as talking about - homosexuality!
So you want to ban the truth? People like you want to twist, contort and inject extra meanings into scripture that is very clear. Homosexuality is a sin. One only has to look at the physical bodies of both sexes and clearly see that God designed the different sexes to interact perfectly together on an emotional and sexual basis.
Let me ask you a simple question. If everyone in society were heterosexual, would the HIV rate be as high as it is today? Yes or No.
So you want to ban the truth? People like you want to twist, contort and inject extra meanings into scripture that is very clear. Homosexuality is a sin. One only has to look at the physical bodies of both sexes and clearly see that God designed the different sexes to interact perfectly together on an emotional and sexual basis.
Let me ask you a simple question. If everyone in society were heterosexual, would the HIV rate be as high as it is today? Yes or No.
Why in the world did you ask him "So you want to ban the truth?" He didn't say anything about that. What he said was "There should be a universal ban on this passage of scripture being used to demean gay people." It was obviously appropriate since the passage being discussed was about divorce, not about homosexuality, or multiple wives, or anything else. It was only about divorce as related to sin. Your remark was the twist and the attempt to inject meaning into a Bible quote that isn't there.
BTW, how can you tell by looking at human bodies that they interact on an emotional basis?
Do you honestly believe that Adam and Eve are prime examples of what a marriage and child-rearing should be all about.
Fail!
Oh, I should also mention that A&E were not married as far as we know.
Why not? God created them and he married them. That is God's standard for marriage.
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As for your "not messing with marriage as God created it" ...you're surely not serious, are you? Biblical marriage completely disregards the woman (she being the property of the male) and present-day marriages that result in a 50% divorce rate certainly indicate that people are doing a fine job of "messing with marriage as God created it" ...!
Please quote me chapter and verse to suggest that Eve was property. Can you do that? No? Didn't think so.
Yes--the culture did treat women as property. God gave them rules and he required that men would treat their wives BETTER than the surrounding nations.
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Or, is homosexuality the cause for heterosexuals jumping out of their "God-ordained' marriages?
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Why would Jesus have taken the opportunity to include homosexuality in His answer to a question asked of Him by His opponents with regard to divorce BETWEEN a man and a woman? That WOULD have been not only weird but also totally irrelevant!
He not only was silent on it, but he actually AFFIRMED God's design for marriage. Nowhere else is is recorded that he suggested that homosexuality was a GOOD thing. Nowhere else did he suggest that it was an appropriate form of human sexuality. The Bible as a whole is completely silent of any kind of endorsement of same-sex marriage. Both OT and NT -- NOWHERE does it suggest that 2 men or 2 women should be married.
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