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Old 04-28-2013, 04:33 PM
 
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I am not your typical Christian as I do not believe in the Trinity, Christ Worship, or Blood Sacrifice.

Now before you start thinking I'm doomed for hell, please read what I have to say, after that you may wag your finger all you want.

First a part of my Theology holds that God is all-powerful;
Therefore if God is all powerful and limitless,
1. We as mortal beings can not fully comprehend God in his/her entirety so he/she sends us people who can speak for him/her. These include the Messiah aka Christ, Angels, and Prophets.

2. Because my God, the God of All is all-powerful he/she does not require rituals or the like for her power to manifest, therefore; the very idea that he/she needs a blood sacrifice is absurd. The only thing my God asks of us is that we commit our whole being to him/her, the only thing he/she asks us to sacrifice for his/her sake is our fleshly desires which have been corrupted by sin and can whole be made pure by his/her grace, it is by our willfulness to change for the better and our commitment to God that we are saved by grace, if we truly love god with all our heart then loving others will be second nature and if we love others following Gods commandments becomes second nature, but we are not saved by our own deeds alone, but also by Gods grace. God is also not confined to human ideals, even my description my not give Elohim justice.

3. We should not praise any thing but the Limitless, All-Powerful, Unperceivable God whose name is El. We should not worship the image or idea of any thing except El whose true form can not be known to us. The Worship of Jesus is a sin, whether if being treated as an Idol or as a false god, the same can be said for the Holy spirit. They are not God, they have a strong connection with God and came speaking for God as his/her mouth but the image and ideas we perceived where not El. Any form our entity you can perceive which directly claims to be El is lieing. The burning bush was an Avatar but was not God we should not erect idols in it's image or worship it or direct praise to it. The mother of Jesus is not to be regarded as an Idol of worship, nor any of the Saints or Angels.

4. Many feel that Prophesy has been sealed up by God, but that is a human made lie, Prophesy still exists and still happens. Not just Prophesy but many feel Gods voice has become silent, but that too is false, God speaks to those whom have sanctified themselves and awoken to him/her or in some rare cases such as Moses God speaks to any one God chooses. God may use any manner of means to communicate with us but the communicated mean is not to be worshiped.

5. You may pray in the name of some one or some thing, so long as that prayer is directed at God and worshiping God. There is a difference from calling on the name of a Saint in a prayer to speak to God on your behalf and worshiping the Saint. You may use an entities name so long as the prayer is directed to and worshiping God. Many who do this use Christ.

6. Christ is the only begotten son, however he is not the only child of God. Begotten means God came and impregnated or birthed the child, which has only happened with Jesus, However any soul who has committed themselves to Elohim has become a Child of God and a Brother of Christ Jesus. This can include Angels, Saints, and Prophets. Jesus himself had freewill and was not always a child of God, begotten yes but the moment in scripture Jesus became a Child of God was when he was baptized, It was not the ritual that matter at that time it was the desire and willingness to please God and commit to him that made Christ his child in more ways than one.

7. We are to love all others, love our self, and love God. We are to treat all others with acceptance and understanding, we are not to pass judgement upon them, we are to be open minded yet firm in our faith. Do not be hypocrites or spread hate. In the past God has used several things to bring judgement to us each time we have been asked to repent, and for a time we do, while those who won't bring on their own destruction either by Gods hands or their own, and so it is that in this age if we as a people do not get on the right path we will bring about our destruction by means of our weapons of mass destruction. And even if we do not destroy ourselves by that means we have slowly being destroying the Earth which God did give to us but God gave it to us with the intention that we care for it and tend to it like a gardener tends to his garden. If we deprive ourselves of the gift of the Earth it will no longer give of it's self freely to us and it will dry our and die.

8. Scriptures - First exists the Voice of God which comes to an individual, then that Individual thinks and reflects upon the Voice, that person writes it down and it becomes the Word, however while God is perfect people are not, people are imperfect and so nothing created by man can be made perfect, man made things have imperfections, therefore; it is impossible for Scriptures to be perfect. Some times people impose their own thoughts or feelings into their words and writings and this is one of many causes of biblical imperfections, among those imperfections include willful false testimony, mistranslatations, and misunderstanding or misinterpretation of a texts meaning. It is for this reason why many false doctrines have come into existence and corrupted Christianity.

While I can not and would not force any one to convert to the true Christianity that I practice, I have felt the need to tell people what has transpired over the centuries. This is not an attack on modern Christianity it is a statement of my beliefs, any one is free to debate them or disagree with them, or even agree with them, but I will not and should not force them on any one. People who practice false Christianity are unknowingly following the pied piper into the Void. Broad is the road that leads to destruction and many find it, narrow is the road to life and few will ever find it, for many will say to my Brother who is Christ on that day, "Did we not prophesy in your name and in your name win many converts and drive out demons." And he will say to them begone from me you evil doers I have never known you.

May Peace and Love be With You Always, In the name of the All-Fire, Elohim!
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Old 04-28-2013, 05:58 PM
 
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If you do not have a sacrifice for your sin, then you are still in it. If that is the case, you are destined for hell.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:09 PM
 
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And with you.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:28 PM
 
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If you do not have a sacrifice for your sin, then you are still in it. If that is the case, you are destined for hell.
No sacrifice is needed, God is not bound to rituals like the devil.

Rituals, Magic, False-Testimony, etc, etc the Devil seeks after these things but Elohim is above them and can do miracles with out them.

It is not a ritual that brings us repentance but Gods grace which God gives those whom willingly commit to Gods commands many of which are layed out in the Bible some of which are to be revealed in the coming Messianic Era.

I am not bound to sin because I have willingly committed my self to God, and the only thing God asks of us is that we give up our fleshly passions which have been corrupted by sin, only through God can our flesh be made pure. I once walked in sin and was but a dim light, now I am a beacon which draws people toward the door of truth.

"Like Moths to a flame they flock to Lucifer's Light,
Stricken with Awe,
and Blinded by the Light,
but I say to you
It is better to wade through the darkness than to be blinded by the light
so from the Shadow of God let your soul take flight, in the name of the All-Fire who is Elohim, Amen."

Not all light is good some light blinds and burns,
not all darkness is bad for who created the Light and the Dark, but none other than the Father of the Christ.

So watch closely for wolves in sheep's clothing who hide among the fold,, they eat up the flock till none are left, till they themselves are left alone.
"Therefore, Test Every Thing Hold Unto the Good, But stay Away from Every Kind of Evil!"

May Peace and Love be with always.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:40 PM
 
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If you do not have a sacrifice for your sin, then you are still in it. If that is the case, you are destined for hell.
David said it best in Psalm 51: "For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it;
You are not pleased with burnt offering.

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise."

Excellent post Azrael. I may not agree with some of the details but some of them need attention, especially that worship is not or should not be just a matter of formal praise.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:46 PM
 
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You obviously have a Spiritual sense and are seeking God, but, like so many, you are essentially saying, "These are my terms, ... the basis by which I will come to God ... no less, no more." But, just believing God exists is not enough. Instead, the key is found in what God is seeking:
(Jas 2:19 - You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!)

God has established His 'Way' as Jesus Christ. Men, not God, came up with a 'hundred' other approaches and 'ways' that man 'make sense' or seem right in the eyes of man. Do you really imagine that you are engaged in a 'negotiation' with God ... saying to Him, "I know what your written and living Word say ... and also acknowledge the inborn truth in the human heart, .... BUT, I've thought this out and think you should do it my way." Think this out! God is not hiding, but, He is Holy and righteous and just ... and you are not!

You can't even begin to imagine holiness or justice ... and can only, like everyone else, rely entirely on God's GRACE - by faith, through Christ! Without Christ's blood sacrifice, what do you have? ... your own theology? ... OR are you suggesting that "Christ was unnecessary and died in vain."

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Old 04-28-2013, 06:54 PM
 
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David said it best in Psalm 51: "For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it;
You are not pleased with burnt offering.

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise."

Excellent post Azrael. I may not agree with some of the details but some of them need attention, especially that worship is not or should not be just a matter of formal praise.
Thank you for trying to be open minded.

May the fruit of your Ways bear good fruit.
May the meditations of your heart be pleasing in gods sight.
May love and peace be with you always.

I would like to say that what I posted is what I feel God wants me to convey to the world, I have been very afraid for a long time to speak that message. I feel that I have been called to preach but I've been running away from it for 7 years now, I am so afraid that people will hear my message and think I am trying to further divide Christians, that I am trying to gain wealth using god but I am not I would rather stay in my bubble and be by myself. I do not know if I will ever answer the call to preach but I always feel it, nagging at me in the back of my thoughts. I actually would like to unite people even if we don't all share the same faith, Jesus asked us to accept every one for who they are.

I believe that some where in today's world the anti-Christ lives and is trying to gain power, and that eventually my path will intersect with his and when it does I will need all the support from God that I can get. My greatest fear is that Christianity will be the tool the anti-Christ will use to spread his agenda, his hate, a perfect example of this is the West Boru Baptist who do not do any thing good they only reap bitter and sour fruit.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:55 PM
 
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I am not your typical Christian as I do not believe in the Trinity, Christ Worship, or Blood Sacrifice.

Now before you start thinking I'm doomed for hell, please read what I have to say, after that you may wag your finger all you want.

First a part of my Theology holds that God is all-powerful;
Therefore if God is all powerful and limitless,
1. We as mortal beings can not fully comprehend God in his/her entirety so he/she sends us people who can speak for him/her. These include the Messiah aka Christ, Angels, and Prophets.

2. Because my God, the God of All is all-powerful he/she does not require rituals or the like for her power to manifest, therefore; the very idea that he/she needs a blood sacrifice is absurd. The only thing my God asks of us is that we commit our whole being to him/her, the only thing he/she asks us to sacrifice for his/her sake is our fleshly desires which have been corrupted by sin and can whole be made pure by his/her grace, it is by our willfulness to change for the better and our commitment to God that we are saved by grace, if we truly love god with all our heart then loving others will be second nature and if we love others following Gods commandments becomes second nature, but we are not saved by our own deeds alone, but also by Gods grace. God is also not confined to human ideals, even my description my not give Elohim justice.

3. We should not praise any thing but the Limitless, All-Powerful, Unperceivable God whose name is El. We should not worship the image or idea of any thing except El whose true form can not be known to us. The Worship of Jesus is a sin, whether if being treated as an Idol or as a false god, the same can be said for the Holy spirit. They are not God, they have a strong connection with God and came speaking for God as his/her mouth but the image and ideas we perceived where not El. Any form our entity you can perceive which directly claims to be El is lieing. The burning bush was an Avatar but was not God we should not erect idols in it's image or worship it or direct praise to it. The mother of Jesus is not to be regarded as an Idol of worship, nor any of the Saints or Angels.

4. Many feel that Prophesy has been sealed up by God, but that is a human made lie, Prophesy still exists and still happens. Not just Prophesy but many feel Gods voice has become silent, but that too is false, God speaks to those whom have sanctified themselves and awoken to him/her or in some rare cases such as Moses God speaks to any one God chooses. God may use any manner of means to communicate with us but the communicated mean is not to be worshiped.

5. You may pray in the name of some one or some thing, so long as that prayer is directed at God and worshiping God. There is a difference from calling on the name of a Saint in a prayer to speak to God on your behalf and worshiping the Saint. You may use an entities name so long as the prayer is directed to and worshiping God. Many who do this use Christ.

6. Christ is the only begotten son, however he is not the only child of God. Begotten means God came and impregnated or birthed the child, which has only happened with Jesus, However any soul who has committed themselves to Elohim has become a Child of God and a Brother of Christ Jesus. This can include Angels, Saints, and Prophets. Jesus himself had freewill and was not always a child of God, begotten yes but the moment in scripture Jesus became a Child of God was when he was baptized, It was not the ritual that matter at that time it was the desire and willingness to please God and commit to him that made Christ his child in more ways than one.

7. We are to love all others, love our self, and love God. We are to treat all others with acceptance and understanding, we are not to pass judgement upon them, we are to be open minded yet firm in our faith. Do not be hypocrites or spread hate. In the past God has used several things to bring judgement to us each time we have been asked to repent, and for a time we do, while those who won't bring on their own destruction either by Gods hands or their own, and so it is that in this age if we as a people do not get on the right path we will bring about our destruction by means of our weapons of mass destruction. And even if we do not destroy ourselves by that means we have slowly being destroying the Earth which God did give to us but God gave it to us with the intention that we care for it and tend to it like a gardener tends to his garden. If we deprive ourselves of the gift of the Earth it will no longer give of it's self freely to us and it will dry our and die.

8. Scriptures - First exists the Voice of God which comes to an individual, then that Individual thinks and reflects upon the Voice, that person writes it down and it becomes the Word, however while God is perfect people are not, people are imperfect and so nothing created by man can be made perfect, man made things have imperfections, therefore; it is impossible for Scriptures to be perfect. Some times people impose their own thoughts or feelings into their words and writings and this is one of many causes of biblical imperfections, among those imperfections include willful false testimony, mistranslatations, and misunderstanding or misinterpretation of a texts meaning. It is for this reason why many false doctrines have come into existence and corrupted Christianity.

While I can not and would not force any one to convert to the true Christianity that I practice, I have felt the need to tell people what has transpired over the centuries. This is not an attack on modern Christianity it is a statement of my beliefs, any one is free to debate them or disagree with them, or even agree with them, but I will not and should not force them on any one. People who practice false Christianity are unknowingly following the pied piper into the Void. Broad is the road that leads to destruction and many find it, narrow is the road to life and few will ever find it, for many will say to my Brother who is Christ on that day, "Did we not prophesy in your name and in your name win many converts and drive out demons." And he will say to them begone from me you evil doers I have never known you.

May Peace and Love be With You Always, In the name of the All-Fire, Elohim!
Are you a Hebrew Israelite?
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Old 04-28-2013, 07:02 PM
 
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May Peace and Love be With You Always,
Two things this world needs more of. Thank you. May it also be with you and your family.
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Old 04-28-2013, 07:17 PM
 
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You obviously have a Spiritual sense and are seeking God, but, like so many, you are essentially saying, "These are my terms, ... the basis by which I will come to God ... no less, no more." But, just believing God exists is not enough. Instead, the key is found in what God is seeking:
(Jas 2:19 - You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!)

God has established His 'Way' as Jesus Christ. Men, not God, came up with a 'hundred' other approaches and 'ways' that man 'make sense' or seem right in the eyes of man. Do you really imagine that you are engaged in a 'negotiation' with God ... saying to Him, "I know what your written and living Word say ... and also acknowledge the inborn truth in the human heart, .... BUT, I've thought this out and think you should do it my way." Think this out! God is not hiding, but, He is Holy and righteous and just ... and you are not!

You can't even begin to imagine holiness or justice ... and can only, like everyone else, rely entirely on God's GRACE - by faith, through Christ! Without Christ's blood sacrifice, what do you have? ... your own theology? ... OR are you suggesting that "Christ was unnecessary and died in vain."


Imperfect men wrote scripture thus their imperfection bleed into scripture. This does not mean that we should throw it away, because their is truth in the scriptures but to identify the truth from the falsehoods we must form a relationship with God. "Therefore, test every thing, hold unto the good, but stay away from every kind of evil." Christ willingly died because he was a man of peace, he was showing us that peace is the way, the truth, and the life, and that peace, and love are the only way to God. The Pharisees killed him he did not nail himself upon that cross, that Pharisees asked the Romans to kill him and they did. He did not die in vain, he withheld his Morales to the end. I have not decided to follow my theology or believe it on my own I was led by God to this path, the path of truth.


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Are you a Hebrew Israelite?

No, I am a Christian who does not except three evils which have spread, one since ancient times and two more in more recent times.
Those three evils are: Christ Worship, the Trinity, and Ritual Blood Sacrifices. Only the devil seeks after these things but Elohim is above them.

May peace and love be with you both always.
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