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I would show them compassion without judgment.
But if you want to remain ignorant.......
You are not showing compassion, you judged. You judged other peoples hearts by saying there are weeds in them, which is exactly what the Pharisee did, and now you are trying to convince others that you are more compassionate than them, which is also what the Pharisee did. You also threw in an insult by calling others ignorant for not agreeing with your view.
I find it strange you invest all your compassion for those who refuse to stop hurting others, while you offer none for those who are hurt. That in itself is unrighteous judgment.
Last edited by Finn_Jarber; 06-25-2016 at 06:54 PM..
You are not showing compassion, you judged. You judged other peoples hearts by saying there are weeds in them, which is exactly what the Pharisee did, and now you are trying to convince others that you are more compassionate than them, which is also what the Pharisee did. You also threw in an insult by calling others ignorant. Are you kidding me?
Verse 97 of Finn's latest "Victim" song. Why is it that whatever correction he chooses to apply to people's morals or actions is done in love, but corrections applied to him are insulting?
Back when I was 18, one of the elders of our congregation was discovered naked in bed with a 14-year-old boy. The other elder board members solemnly intoned "We can't judge" and the man retained his position on the elder board.
Matthew 18 along with Romans 1:5 tells us that there are some harmful behaviors within our congregations that we certainly must judge on the basis of the harm they cause.
“If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over.
But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ [witnesses of the original offense]
If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." -- Matthew 18
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
It's the all or nothing mentality that cannot see the weeds that have grown up around their own hearts.
To some who trusted in their own righteousness and viewed others with contempt, He also told this parable:Two men went up to the temple to pray. One was a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed, 'God, I thank You that I am not like the other men—swindlers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week, and pay tithes of all that I receive.'
But the tax collector stood at a distance, unwilling even to lift up his eyes to heaven. Instead, he beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, ...' I tell you, this man, rather than the Pharisee, went home justified. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself ...
It is not up to us to humble people, they will be caught in the snare of their own deeds.
Now, if it is an active predator, that's a different story.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
A post like this identifies you as the Pharisee. You probably don't realize it, but it is true.
'God, I thank You that I am not like the other men, those who (in my opinion) have weeds in their hearts'
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
I would show them compassion without judgment.
But if you want to remain ignorant, that's your choice.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
You are not showing compassion, you judged. You judged other peoples hearts by saying there are weeds in them, which is exactly what the Pharisee did, and now you are trying to convince others that you are more compassionate than them, which is also what the Pharisee did. You also threw in an insult by calling others ignorant for not agreeing with your view.
I find it strange you invest all your compassion for those who refuse to stop hurting others, while you offer none for those who are hurt. That in itself is unrighteous judgment.
The above post by Ralph Kirk says ...treat them like tax collectors.
If you do not consider that as "weeds that have grown up around the heart?"
Then, you should spend some time plowing the fields of your own mind.
And, I will stand by my words: It is not up to us to humble people.
However, I will continue to speak the truth, whether you approve or not.
Back when I was 18, one of the elders of our congregation was discovered naked in bed with a 14-year-old boy. The other elder board members solemnly intoned "We can't judge" and the man retained his position on the elder board.
Matthew 18 along with Romans 1:5 tells us that there are some harmful behaviors within our congregations that we certainly must judge on the basis of the harm they cause.
No one reported this criminal behavior? Then they were equally criminal.
Back when I was 18, one of the elders of our congregation was discovered naked in bed with a 14-year-old boy. The other elder board members solemnly intoned "We can't judge" and the man retained his position on the elder board.
Matthew 18 along with Romans 1:5 tells us that there are some harmful behaviors within our congregations that we certainly must judge on the basis of the harm they cause.
There is a huge difference between consenting adults, and children.
No one reported this criminal behavior? Then they were equally criminal.
The response to his behavior as criminal was handled by other means, as also to be understood by 1 Corinthians 5. The elder board had no decision to make about that.
What was in the hands of the elder board was his position on the board and in the congregation--which they flubbed.
But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning.
-- 1 Timothy 5:20
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