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If that were the least of it, watch out lest I tell you the worst.
Certainly more to be found than mere lying.
I'll take it that you acknowledge it's true and you don't know the Bridegroom, though you are expecting Him like the foolish virgins.
Better be prepared like a wise virgin before He comes, you don't want to be knocking on that door too late. The filling of the lamps is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that gives light to our darkened minds and souls when we repent from sin and humbly put our faith in Jesus Christ. You can do that today, just know that the time is really short before that door will be shut.
Matthew 25:10-13 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
I'll take it that you acknowledge it's true and you don't know the Bridegroom, though you are expecting Him like the foolish virgins.
Better be prepared like a wise virgin before He comes, you don't want to be knocking on that door too late. The filling of the lamps is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that gives light to our darkened minds and souls when we repent from sin and humbly put our faith in Jesus Christ. You can do that today, just know that the time is really short before that door will be shut.
Matthew 25:10-13 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
It is apparent that you fear some kind of eternal destiny?
I'll take it that you acknowledge it's true and you don't know the Bridegroom, though you are expecting Him like the foolish virgins.
Better be prepared like a wise virgin before He comes, you don't want to be knocking on that door too late. The filling of the lamps is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that gives light to our darkened minds and souls when we repent from sin and humbly put our faith in Jesus Christ. You can do that today, just know that the time is really short before that door will be shut.
Matthew 25:10-13 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
A wise virgin is wise because she has obtained an extra vessel and she buys oil to fill this vessel all the time. The wise virgins tell the foolish virgins where to buy the oil. They know what the vessel is ,and they know where to purchase that oil.
Where does a wise virgin obtain an extra vessel and how does she spend her time and money purchasing oil to fill that vessel?
I'll take it that you acknowledge it's true and you don't know the Bridegroom, though you are expecting Him like the foolish virgins.
Better be prepared like a wise virgin before He comes, you don't want to be knocking on that door too late. The filling of the lamps is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that gives light to our darkened minds and souls when we repent from sin and humbly put our faith in Jesus Christ. You can do that today, just know that the time is really short before that door will be shut.
Now see, This is very interesting, you say that filling the lamps is the indwelling of the Holy spirit?
Those lamps are filled by the oil that one buys, BUT FIRST ONE MUST OBATIN A VESSEL, do you think you can buy the Holy spirit?
Interesting.
What is the vessel and what is the oil that a person can purchase?
Since we are talking about the Parable of the ten virgins, here it is.
What is missing?
It begins by saying'' THEN.''
WHEN IS,'' THEN?''
Matthew 24
The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The servant of the master was made keeper over the household of God to give the children of the master meat in due season and this servant did not know the comings and goings of the master and so he is cut in half.
AFTER THE WICKED SERVANT IS CUT IN HALF, THEN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WILL BE AS TEN VIRGINS.
What does it mean when the servant is cut in half for not knowing the comings and goings of his master and the master comes to punish he who was put in charge of his children?
THEN THE KINGDOM WILL BE AS TEN VIRGINS AFTER THE SERVANT IS CUT IN HALF.
Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins 1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
What is the extra vessel that makes the difference and how does a foolish virgin buy oil to fill a vessel once they have found a vessel?
You can't buy the Holy spirit and so put that out of you mind, buying oil is not buying the holy spirit.
Obviously and with the greatest of hope come those foolish virgins because the greatest question of all is WHY THEY COME.
Something has occurred to make a bunch of wise virgins stand out to the entire congregation of Gentiles believers in Jesus because it is ten virgins and ten is because it is a legal congregation.
Our great hope is in this story because it means a time is coming when wise virgins will stand out and there is great hope in this because it insinuates a time of great revival where everyone comes asking these virgins where to buy the oil.
It insinuates a great revival where people are told where to buy the oil and the whole world is going to be watching because it wont just be the congregation of believers who experience this great event, the whole world will see it and everyone will know who the wise virgins are.
A wise virgin is wise because she has obtained an extra vessel and she buys oil to fill this vessel all the time. The wise virgins tell the foolish virgins where to buy the oil. They know what the vessel is ,and they know where to purchase that oil.
Where does a wise virgin obtain an extra vessel and how does she spend her time and money purchasing oil to fill that vessel?
I told you where to buy the oil, read Isaiah 55 friend, the oil is available for free. Did you beg God for His grace? Ask Jesus Christ to forgive your sins? Were you born again from the Spirit? (John 3)
Don't put your hope foolishly on your own spiritual "insights" longing for a future revival. Put your hope on Jesus Christ and Him crucified here and now, He alone has the power to save you and to bring that revival in your own heart, that is the only true and lasting hope.
It is not some spiritual meaning of a future church telling others where to get the oil to be saved, the foolish virgins don't get the oil in time, they get rejected by the Bridegroom. You over-spiritualize, and you are clever enough to find some connecting meanings that sound deep. But sadly those insights will not get you anywhere as long as you're a foolish virgin without oil.
I never said you could buy the Holy Spirit, a parable is not always literally applied, we are not all female virgins now either, are we? The vessel is your heart, did you buy your heart? No ofcourse not, God gave it to you. Did you receive the Holy Spirit to enlighten your heart? You can't buy it, but God can give His Spirit to you.
It's simple, with His Spirit you will be prepared for the Bridegroom when He comes, even when you fall asleep, the Spirit won't leave you. Without His Spirit, if you didn't come in faith and repentance to Jesus Christ to "buy" the oil, and receive a new heart, you won't be prepared and you will be rejected.
Better be concerned about the unprepared state you are in, than about finding spiritual meanings. All that knowledge, however insightful it might be, will not get you oil and will not save you.
I told you where to buy the oil, read Isaiah 55 friend, the oil is available for free. Did you beg God for His grace? Ask Jesus Christ to forgive your sins? Were you born again from the Spirit? (John 3)
Don't put your hope foolishly on your own spiritual "insights" longing for a future revival. Put your hope on Jesus Christ and Him crucified here and now, He alone has the power to save you and to bring that revival in your own heart, that is the only true and lasting hope.
It is not some spiritual meaning of a future church telling others where to get the oil to be saved, the foolish virgins don't get the oil in time, they get rejected by the Bridegroom. You over-spiritualize, and you are clever enough to find some connecting meanings that sound deep. But sadly those insights will not get you anywhere as long as you're a foolish virgin without oil.
I never said you could buy the Holy Spirit, a parable is not always literally applied, we are not all female virgins now either, are we? The vessel is your heart, did you buy your heart? No ofcourse not, God gave it to you. Did you receive the Holy Spirit to enlighten your heart? You can't buy it, but God can give His Spirit to you.
It's simple, with His Spirit you will be prepared for the Bridegroom when He comes, even when you fall asleep, the Spirit won't leave you. Without His Spirit, if you didn't come in faith and repentance to Jesus Christ to "buy" the oil, and receive a new heart, you won't be prepared and you will be rejected.
Better be concerned about the unprepared state you are in, than about finding spiritual meanings. All that knowledge, however insightful it might be, will not get you oil and will not save you.
The oil has to be bought, but there is no way anyone could understand that parable unless they know everything about Ephraim and Judah.
But yeah, it aint free and it does have to be purchased just as the parable says.
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Did I judge anyone personally? I just said that, as it says in Matthew 7, there will be those that say Lord, Lord have we not in Your Name done... and He will say, depart from Me I never knew you ye workers of iniquity. There will be judgment for people that thought they knew the Lord, but didn't. That's just a Biblical fact, and didn't the Lord teach that by their fruit we shall know the tree? Are we not to discern the spirits to see whether they are from God?
Discernment is necessary and Biblical, we need to search the Scriptures to see if these things are so, and to beware of the false prophets saying here is the Christ or there is the Christ.
To be angry over Biblical discernment which the Bible teaches itself, and falsely calling it boasting to judge the heart, as if it were satanic pride instead of Spiritual discernment, is that from God?
I never denied what Jesus says in Matthew 7 ... I've maintained (and will continue to do so btw) that only Jesus\God knows and read the thoughts of the heart to make such discernment. Humanity can not nor is permitted to do so.
There is a huge difference between discerning what false preachers claim as the truth vs judgemental discernment of whether one "was never saved in the first place.".
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Originally Posted by Chanokh
In the same passage where Jesus said 'Judge not, lest ye be judged', He also said:
Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
So what was the judgment the Lord was talking about? It wasn't the discernment of true or false prophets, we are called to look at the fruit so we can know the tree, that requires judgment of fruit - good or bad. He didn't teach us to say 'Oh well God judges the hearts.. what do I know', as if that were humility. Christ commended the Church at Ephesus for discerning the false apostles and exposing them: Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Appearantly they judged these people, and they judged rightly. What the Lord is talking about when He says 'Judge not, lest ye be judged' is refraining from hypocritical and proud judgment from the flesh like the Pharisees. Also we do not have the final judgment, the Lord is the final Judge. But He gave His Spirit and His Word, so we could discern false from sincere, and I am so thankful He did!
So what was the judgment the Lord was talking about? ...
A: "Fruits" - are actions that result visible \ audible which is openly discernible
-- "was never saved in the first place." - is the action that reside in the heart which is only discernible to God
I never denied what Jesus says in Matthew 7 ... I've maintained (and will continue to do so btw) that only Jesus\God knows and read the thoughts of the heart to make such discernment. Humanity can not nor is permitted to do so.
There is a huge difference between discerning what false preachers claim as the truth vs judgemental discernment of whether one "was never saved in the first place.".
So what was the judgment the Lord was talking about? ...
A: "Fruits" - are actions that result visible \ audible which is openly discernible
-- "was never saved in the first place." - is the action that reside in the heart which is only discernible to God
As I mentioned before, (which ofcourse is the part that you left out of your reply) appearantly the apostle John disagrees with you, because he judges those who left them by the fact that they left them, by their fruit of leaving he is judging them as unbelievers, no true disciples of Christ. Is he proudly judging? Is he not a human?
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
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