A solemn wake-up call (believers, sin, Jesus Christ, Israel)
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I answered that in post #386. When Jesus took our punishment, He became our propitiation and His righteousness was imputed to us. Christ's righteousness satisfies God's holiness.
2 Corinthians 5
21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Which has ZERO, ZILCH, NADA to do with the question you were asked.
New wine is non alcoholic and being that the wine harvest is in the fall, how would it have been possible to have new wine in the spring?
The slightest exposure to air will make yeast in wine and so how were they able to make non alcoholic wine and then keep it non alcoholic for 6 months?
Anyway, you jumped from talking about how God needed to pierce, crush and wound people in order to satisfy God's holiness. You have yet to explain how doing such "satisfies" holiness. But, since you appear to be either unwilling to think about it critically at this juncture, or are simply unable to recognize the inherent inconsistencies, I won't continue to ask you to examine it.
OK, if "God is not counting our sins against us" (whether that be everyone or just believers), how is He doing that? Was it just a decision He made? What's the process?
Jimmie, the so-called "sin" that kept us separate from God was the failure of ANY human consciousness to achieve perfect agape love. Our entire species was separated from God because our collective consciousness was NOT in harmony with God's Holy Spirit of agape love. We needed ONE human to achieve perfect agape love in His human consciousness to connect ALL human consciousness with God's consciousness (Holy Spirit of agape love). Guess who that human was, jimmie? Once He achieved it, there was no more separation from God. We are all connected with God THROUGH Jesus, that is why He is the Way to God and our individual sins (mistakes, errors) are no longer relevant except to us. We will still reap what we sow for anything we do not repent of (change our state of mind about to be compatible with the Spirit of agape love).
No. God is holy; we humans are not. To satisfy His holiness, blood was required (a life for a life-Hebrews 9:22). Hence, Jesus. You reject that.
So, how does God forgive us? Just a decision He made? Is there a process?
Do we have to do anything to receive His forgiveness?
Colossians 3:13
Bearing with one another, and if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other;
as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.
When was the last time you opened up an artery or cut-off your windpipe, as a sign of forgiveness?
How about these words: "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
What exactly do you think this means? And, since when, are there conditions for following
unconditional love, grace, mercy, and forgiveness?
Believe it or not, you do not have to chop-off your hand - as a penalty for stealing a loaf of bread.
And I AM freely able to forgive you, if you do. Unfortunately, the law may not.
However, I AM sure you will not face the death penalty. Even if you do not believe me.
Colossians 3:13
Bearing with one another, and if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other;
as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.
When was the last time you opened up an artery or cut-off your windpipe, as a sign of forgiveness?
How about these words: "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
What exactly do you think this means? And, since when, are there conditions for following
unconditional love, grace, mercy, and forgiveness?
Believe it or not, you do not have to chop-off your hand - as a penalty for stealing a loaf of bread.
And I AM freely able to forgive you, if you do. Unfortunately, the law may not.
However, I AM sure you will not face the death penalty. Even if you do not believe me.
I sincerely wish you would speak in plain English and use proper punctuation. I don't understand your ramblings. What is your point?
No. God is holy; we humans are not. To satisfy His holiness, blood was required (a life for a life-Hebrews 9:22). Hence, Jesus. You reject that.
So, how does God forgive us? Just a decision He made? Is there a process? Do we have to do anything to receive His forgiveness?
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
Colossians 3:13
Bearing with one another, and if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other;
as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.
When was the last time you opened up an artery or cut-off your windpipe, as a sign of forgiveness?
How about these words: "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
What exactly do you think this means? And, since when, are there conditions for following
unconditional love, grace, mercy, and forgiveness?
Believe it or not, you do not have to chop-off your hand - as a penalty for stealing a loaf of bread.
And I AM freely able to forgive you, if you do. Unfortunately, the law may not.
However, I AM sure you will not face the death penalty. Even if you do not believe me.
Hebrew 9:22 has nothing to do with forgiving sin or a life for a life. If that's what you think?
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