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Jimmie, you aren't paying attention. Do you think the things you bolded somehow make the part that says that God was reconciling the WORLD, not counting their trespasses against them not say what it says? Do you think the bolded parts mean God changed her mind and decided, "What?!? They don't believe that I'm not holding their sins against 'em?! I'll show them! I AM going to hold their sins against them after all! Off with their heads and to hell with them all!"?
No, I am not a Christian. I am not offended by Jesus. I DO find some of the religious doctrines that have been built up around Jesus to be harmful and/or disturbing, at best. Before you ask: biblical inerrancy and all that comes with it, substitutionary atonement, the T, U and L of TULIP in any of the various forms they take in different denominations, and eternal torment or annihilation. Add on to that the anti-gay sentiment that seems to go hand-in-hand with those doctrines, and the overall fixation on sin and judging others. That's more than enough.
The part you are missing us that we must accept Christ's redemption. The gift has been offered, but it's not automatic. You yourself have rejected it.
It says it right there, my friend. "...that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them ."
Your bible says that God was reconciling the WORLD, not counting their trespasses against them.
Now, you want to maintain that somehow God IS counting the sins of the world against them, so you have a contradiction on your hands. Which means either your doctrine is wrong, or the bible passage is wrong. Take your pick.
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The part you are missing us that we must accept Christ's redemption. The gift has been offered, but it's not automatic. You yourself have rejected it.
Well, then, jimmiej, it appears that your choice is that the bible passage is wrong, because your doctrine can't be.
No, you are choosing to base your theology on a few words, instead of the entire passage, or other similar passages.
As a bible inerrantist, you are obligated to accept every word of your bible as true. Your bible says that "in Christ, God was reconciling the world, NOT. COUNTING. THEIR. TRESPASSES. AGAINST. THEM."
Your doctrine says that that is not true, and that God is, in fact, holding the trespasses of the world against them.
As a bible inerrantist, you are obligated to accept every word of your bible as true. Your bible says that "in Christ, God was reconciling the world, NOT. COUNTING. THEIR. TRESPASSES. AGAINST. THEM."
Your doctrine says that that is not true, and that God is, in fact, holding the trespasses of the world against them.
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I do accept every word-you don't. That's why you're missing the truth. Read John 3. It says the same thing. Read Matt. 7:13-14. It says the same thing. Read Rev. 20:11-15. It says the same thing. God offers redemption to all, through Christ, but not all accept. To those who do (they are "in Christ"), He is not holding their sin against them. It was transferred to Jesus.
The part you are missing is that we must accept Christ's redemption.
The gift has been offered, but it's not automatic.
You yourself have rejected it.
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In other words, if my daughters' rejected my love.
I should make them suffer forever, and ever.
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You are not God. You and your daughter are both fallible humans.
Because they rejected my love.
I should make them suffer.
If not, I am imperfect or weak?
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