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The road I have traveled (and common sense) tells me that if the bible is correct that God IS love and is the savior of ALL men, then those who say that they believe the bible is infallible, yet maintain a belief in ET or annihilation, are willfully choosing to ignore that their doctrines are in direct contradiction to those passages, nullifying infallibility. Sadly, in their zeal to maintain their faith in the bible as infallible and inerrant, many Christians, for some reason, choose to give more weight to the OT God than to the newer insights about God that some of the NT authors had.
No beef with the rest of your post, either. Some people are content with the idea that life ends, and they say that believing such gives them impetus to "live life to the fullest". While I appreciate that attitude in many ways, I find it thoroughly unsatisfactory for myself at times (because my idea of "fullest" and my reality do not always match), and definitely for those who have been dealt life circumstances which make that difficult or nearly impossible. So, my hope is that there is more than just the fleeting time we see in the here and now.
Hi sis, I agree.
One of the issue I see with the belief in ET and annihilation is the teaching (unknowingly of those who teach either doctrine) that God sins.
It goes like this.
Sin is missing the mark.
Jewish thought about missing the mark is of an archer taking aim at a target and missing the target.
God took aim at the salvation of the whole world and ET and annihilation teach God missed His mark.
Thus we have a God who sins.
The 3 greatest messages of the gospel are faith, hope and love. Love being the greatest.
My belief in God is not based on hope, its based on the road I have traveled and personal experiences.
My belief in the resurrection of the dead or an afterlife is based on hope. No one can say otherwise because it has not happened yet.
Hope is a common theme throughout life, everyone has it. Example: every time you get into a car to go on a trip you hope the car will start, and hope that you get to your destination safely. Most don't even realize when hope is around as it is a smooth operator. But just ask anyone who own an old car and the small example I gave should hit home.
Maat you say you are happy and content with there being no afterlife and I am not saying you are not, but for me I would find life a very sad thing not to believe in an afterlife, to think losing a loved one and all that becomes of them is food for the worms. I look at the world around me, all the pain, suffering and loss and without hope in an afterlife for myself this life would be a very very sad existence.
There is nothing wrong with having faith in an afterlife. As an atheist, I'm hoping there is something more than our current existence. But, I'm not willing to have faith in a book whose God resembles a monster. Jesus is by default, just as evil as this God. Blind faith is not healthy.
There is nothing wrong with having faith in an afterlife. As an atheist, I'm hoping there is something more than our current existence. But, I'm not willing to have faith in a book whose God resembles a monster. Jesus is by default, just as evil as this God. Blind faith is not healthy.
Thats the thing Maat, you see the monster of the ET and annihilation God in the bible, which I agree would be horrible. However there is a God in the bible that you have not been able to see, it is this God that I speak of. A God of love that neither thinks evil nor does evil.
Thats the thing Maat, you see the monster of the ET and annihilation God in the bible, which I agree would be horrible. However there is a God in the bible that you have not been able to see, it is this God that I speak of. A God of love that neither thinks evil nor does evil.
Does this God you're speaking of happen to have a genocidal, psychopathic father who is also a God?
Power is not control when it serves you. I really cannot understand your problem with love being a force or power, a force or power that is on your side and always willing to work on your behalf.
There is no God playing at love and freedom,we become and live out of those things as we become consciously aware of them.The things you see in the world that you say cannot be explained is the creation of man's imagination, for there is nothing created that is not first imagined.
There are many kinds of power. God's power is the power of LOVE.
You err, Jesus was talking about when Gods kingdom enters and judgement comes. Look at the world--99% live for now--they must fit in with this world that Jesus taught to be no part of. Those who are no part of this world that actually listened to Jesus do not fit in.
God did his part to try to save all men--he requires them to repent-- they outright refuse=99%--1Cor 6:9-11--Gal 5:19-21--false god worship, lying, etc will NOT enter Gods kingdom--those things are what the majority are practicing daily. From generation to generation, from parent to child--daily are being mislead to partake off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21) that few even knows exists in this satan ruled system of things. Because he transforms into an angel of light( 2Cor 11:12-15) and uses love, sharing, whatever it takes to make it look good to the mortal heart.
Do you take comfort in this view you hold? I'm just curious. I know you will be compelled to say yes. But I do wonder if the real "you" that hidden person in the heart of you really does find your perception of God comforting and even "good news for all people".
Thats the thing Maat, you see the monster of the ET and annihilation God in the bible, which I agree would be horrible. However there is a God in the bible that you have not been able to see, it is this God that I speak of. A God of love that neither thinks evil nor does evil.
I can't separate the good from the bad. Again, it is not healthy. Answer this: Do you believe that not tithing is stealing from your God? This false doctrine has cost me and is still costing my family a lot of their hard earned money.
Would you claim Jesus as lord if it cost you your life? You would be giving up your precious life for a wasted ideology.
These are just some of the cost of this false religion.
I can't separate the good from the bad. Again, it is not healthy. Answer this: Do you believe that not tithing is stealing from your God? This false doctrine has cost me and is still costing my family a lot of their hard earned money.
Would you claim Jesus as lord if it cost you your life? You would be giving up your precious life for a wasted ideology.
These are just some of the cost of this false religion.
Don't blame God for the stupidity of men.
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