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Old 03-09-2017, 09:08 AM
 
Location: USA
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Does the next life exist in "time"?
As long as we are conscious, it will always be now for us.
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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As long as we are conscious, it will always be now for us.
Speculation. Nevertheless, scripture is heavy against universalism. Both Jesus & Paul indicated no chance for redemption after this life.
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:27 AM
 
Location: USA
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Speculation. Nevertheless, scripture is heavy against universalism. Both Jesus & Paul indicated no chance for redemption after this life.
No, not speculation. "Now" will always exist for us, as long as we are conscious.

No, scripture is actually heavy FOR universalism. This should get you started:


Universalism and the Bible – Keith DeRose
https://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/univ3.html
My Top Six Scriptures That Show Jesus Will Save All People
Unique Proof For Christian, Biblical Universalism
Universalism is Not in the Bible
Unique Proof For Christian, Biblical Universalism

https://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...universal.html
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Old 03-09-2017, 10:46 AM
 
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These are a list of links that misinterpret scripture towards universal salvation.

In the end, they give a false sense of security to unbelievers before they face God after this life, in their sin, without Christ.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:23 AM
 
Location: USA
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These are a list of links that misinterpret scripture towards universal salvation.

In the end, they give a false sense of security to unbelievers before they face God after this life, in their sin, without Christ.
^^^ This is a knee-jerk repetition of your opinion , with no substantiation.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:26 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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These are a list of links that misinterpret scripture towards universal salvation.

In the end, they give a false sense of security to unbelievers before they face God after this life, in their sin, without Christ.
What else do you expect from such people to trust in, who more than on one occasion admits being "a former Christian"?

However there is another false hope for such people: trust the OSAS alternative despite Jesus saying:
"Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine ...
If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers;
such
branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned
*." ~ Jesus
* or as Jesus taught as "outer darkness" Matthew 8:12 \ Matthew 22:13 \ Matthew 25:30

As other scriptures confirmed by the Guide promised by Jesus teaches:
Psalm 119:112
My heart is set on keeping your decrees to the very end.

Hebrews 3:14
We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.

Hebrews 6:11
We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, so that what you hope for may be fully realized.

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Old 03-09-2017, 11:35 AM
 
Location: california
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Man is not judged by God by man's standards but by "God's standards."
One in fellowship with God knows His standards, one out of fellowship is still in sin/rebellion.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:40 AM
 
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What else do you expect from such people to trust in, who more than on one occasion admits being "a former Christian"?
No, not "admits", as if I'm reluctant to confess it. I say it with deep gratitude. Of course, as one Christian puts it [and I am paraphrasing], "When someone asks me if I'm a Christian, I ask them to tell me what they think a Christian is, and then I can tell them if I am one of those." So, based on the definition of "Christian" I was raised with, (which was based on believing the "right" doctrines, including eternal torment and substitutionary atonement and biblical inerrancy) I'm grateful to say I am not one of those any longer.
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Old 03-09-2017, 12:06 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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No, not "admits", as if I'm reluctant to confess it. I say it with deep gratitude. Of course, as one Christian puts it [and I am paraphrasing], "When someone asks me if I'm a Christian, I ask them to tell me what they think a Christian is, and then I can tell them if I am one of those." So, based on the definition of "Christian" I was raised with, (which was based on believing the "right" doctrines, including eternal torment and substitutionary atonement and biblical inerrancy) I'm grateful to say I am not one of those any longer.
Nothing but a rude awaking awaits you if one think that Jesus didn't teach believing the "right" doctrines ( including eternal torment, substitutionary atonement and biblical inerrancy).
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Old 03-09-2017, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Nothing but a rude awaking awaits you if one think that Jesus didn't teach believing the "right" doctrines ( including eternal torment, substitutionary atonement and biblical inerrancy).
Another proponent of god-the-bogeyman.
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